Bro we need Catalans, Venetians, Wallachians and split Vikings into 3 civs first.
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You might be right with the way they proceed…
Yeah, I’d also have Armenians rather than Afghans (irrelevant civ), Sogdians (irrelevant civ) and Khazars (we already have enough similar civs in game for now)
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Lol irrelevant civ. Armenians wish to be nearly as powerful as Afghans or as important for world trade as Sogdians. And Khazars could be pretty unique as well as a monk and cavalry archer civ (you can even give them good siege or defenses).
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Because there aren’t already tons of CA civs… what new would a Khazar civ even bring? I think not much.
Sogdians can be represented with Persians civ well enough. And Afghans… I dont think they were very relevant in medieval ages sorry. There were all sorts of people coming and going in the area.
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Well, havent we have enough paladin civs already too? I dont think your argument works at all.
No? Like, they are closer to Tatars than to Persians.
Afghans had the Ghurid Dynasty and started the Delhi Sultanate. If thats not being relevant Idk what it is
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Armenians don’t have to be a Paladin civ…
I thought their language was related to Persian. Pretty sure it was.
Didn’t know the people living in the Delhi Sultanate were Afghans… (sarcasm, they obviously werent)
The founders of it and the main culture came from the Ghurids, who were most probably Tajiks (but since it isnt totally clear lets just include them as Afghans) who came from the region of Afghanistan.
Yes they have to lol
Yes, they are both Iranian, but thats not saying much since its a pretty large group.
Tatars are more related historically than Persians.
Why? There’s always options to get creative. Could become a defensive civ, not many of those in game for example.
Yeah… that’s basically quite a big stretch for getting included as a civ imho…
I’m not against including more Persianate states, just dont want another odd-ball situation like Slavs (where there is a main umbrella civ… but then aslo a civ for almost every member of the umbrella -_-)
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Armenia had some of the best medieval cavalry. Them getting no paladin is kind of stupid. Also, a civ that only had two short lasting kingdoms cant just be mainly a defensive civ lol
Just call them Tajiks if you want. I dont care about how they are called. Theres no stretch at including Ghurids.
Fair, they arent even that necesary. However they are still more worth adding than Armenia
Could be just to add both. I mean, why not?
Well, that might exactly be why it could fit. They had a lot of struggles, so it could be thematic.
So more than sufficiently covered by the current Indian civ, that’s great. Will just need one more Indian civ alongside Tibetans or Jurchens then for an Asian expansion.
My Idea for the Armenians.
Infantry and Defensive civ
Designed to be a supporting civ, average offensive power on its own but a strong ally. (Pocket civ)
Blend of Caucasus and Middle eastern architecture.
Yılankale Castle
UU-Nakharar:Mountain Infantry. Average in combat , strong against buildings , high pierce armour with a large shield on the back that can bypass a cities walls much like a siege tower (without the need for the tower) .
" Armenian soldiers used iron hooks to help them climb fortification walls, and large leather shields to protect them from anything that would be dropped from above."
Good unit for raiding walled cities.
Unique tech 1 - Sparapet (Allows you to train Ayruzdi cav)
Unique tech 2 - Mountain Keeps/Strongholds (Castles on elevated ground gain +2 attack
Civ bonus :Captured Relic = +1 Infantry attack.
They receive free Murder holes. " There existed a special regiment of mountaineers who were trained to roll rocks onto their foes in siege warfare,"
Can garrison units in Monastery.
Monastery cost - 50%
Weak siege line. ,only onager and capped ram.
Archer line only goes up to crossbow.
Full cav archer line.
No hand cannoneer.
Full skirm line.
Heavy cav goes up to Cavalier.
Heavy Camel.
Once Sarapet is researched (expensive) , then Ayruzdi cav can be created in castle.
Ayruzdi cav - Byzantine Cataphracts.
Team bonus: All allies get free siege engineers.
Campaign: Fight alongside their Georgian allies against the Eldiguzids (Turks) in a campaign in Anatolia that culminates in the climactic battle of Shamkor.
Wonder: Etchmiadzin Cathedral
I just constructed them form an historical perspective , perhaps they can get a trade or economy bonus, but I did not want to make them to strong since it will be out of place if they are a stronger civ (Stronger economy/strong attack) than for instance the Byzantines that had a much larger empire.
So I was thinking they could aid their allies with a strong home defense as well as a supporting role in a monk push.
Perhaps their : Can garrison units in Monastery, ability can be a team bonus thus in doing so you can have a forward monastery that allows vils to garrison in the Monastery as you do a monk rush.
They can also get a tech in the monastery called ‘‘Tithe’’ that allows your vils to drop off gold at the monastery. In doing so you can secure your golds, protect your vils and use that gold to spam monks in support of your allied push.
Whilst if your enemy is fully walled your Nakharar:Mountain Infantry can get over the walls and raid until you have enough resources to obtain Sparapet (Allows you to train Ayruzdi cav) for a strong late game push, relying on your allies for siege. (Or use trebs)
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Also, forgot to tell but Persians as a term is just limited to Persia. Doesnt afect the rest of Iranians
I mean, kinda. Just like Armenians, they are valid but not the same as having your own civ, I just feel like the other civs are more important.
Khazars is the only one that really feels a bit bad to have being represented by Cumans.
Before I say anything, I want to be clear that my ideal next 2 civs to be added would be Georgians and Cilicians/Armenias.
Having said that, I don’t know if that wonder is appropriate for a medieval Armenian civ.
Adding Georgians would be fairly simple but Armenians would be a lot more complicated because of the large migration that occured around the 11th century.
So there were different Armenias in different places.
What would an Armenian civ be modelled on then? Bagratid? Cilicia? Artsakh? Khachen?
I’m asking out of genuine curiosity because my knowledge on Armenian history is a bit lacking.
Depending on what you model the civ after, it changes things like the wonder and tech tree.
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Afghans/ Ghurid are the root for all the islamic dynasties in india so they make a decent addition.in the ingame indian scenarios they are the main villains represented by turks tatars and persians so they could be a mix of all 3.
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For an asian dlc, I would like to see the Sogdians or Sakas to represent the eastern iranian people. The Afghans will also fill the gap between india and persia. Tibetans, and Jurchens are also a must.
For Africa I think the only civs worth adding are Songhai, Kanem-Bornu, Nubians, and Somalis, maybe the Hausa and Swahili if you really want to stretch it.
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I like how this thread started from a rant about the lack of African civs to meaningless arguments between two people.
Honestly these type of threads are starting to prove why we only get 2 civs instead of 4 from each DE DLC, If you really want more civs to happen especially from Africa/America/Asia/Oceania etc etc (I don’t have a problem with that and would like to see something new than Europe) then why do you have to make 25397313123 threads about “why X Y Z civs shouldn’t happen and others should”? at this point the civ’s origin of continent doesn’t matter anymore.
If you don’t like DoTD then don’t buy it. It won’t stop people from buying it because they care about the quality of the content.
Rant over.
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If it was me to make the next DLCs I would have.
- Saharan DLC
Nubians + Songhai or Karem-Bornu - Indian Ocean DLC
Somalis + Tamils - (South) Asian DLC
Bengals + Siam/Thai (if Tibet are not an option)
This will allow for 3 African and 3 Asian civs (2 Indian subfactions).
Than I would look to have Georgians somehow (who are a must for me).If I revisit Europe only viable options left for me are Swiss, Serbs and Venetians, noone else would make the cut in Europe for me.
This could be done by: - Adriatic DLC
Venetians + Serbs - Roof of the World (mountaneers) DLC
Georgians + Swiss (Could add Chimu and Tibet if we can get more civs here, too)
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