I think that it is you then who needs to read more about viking history and not us.
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It is not. “Viking Culture” is literally a Hollywood invention.
Not all Norse were Vikingr, which means “man of the bay”, or “raider of the bay”.
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Although this word is also commonly used to refer to the people of the area, perhaps by association, but nonetheless, it means not necessarily only used as a word of a ‘profession’. So if you stick very highly to semantics, you are right, but if you take into account the broader usage of the word, you are not. Either way, the point I was making that something from the Viking Age should be included, I care not exactly which faction, as there were many different factions before they consolidated into modern Denmark, Sweden and Norway.
It’s definately not a hollywood invention, they do however latch on to it and try to make money from it.
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“At first, the Viking Norse didn’t take to Christianity. They loved their own gods and were content with them. English and Frankish Christian priests and monks had begun missionary tours to the Viking lands from the 700s to 800s. However, the conversion of the Vikings took place over centuries. Even when a Danish or Swedish king became Christian and proclaimed his people were Christian, many still practiced their pagan ways and held to the old gods. By the end of the Viking Age, however, most Vikings had become fully Christian and were baptized and buried in that faith.”
My friend, both Eddas were even written BY CHRISTIANS.
By the 900s, when this game begins, the Norse were already majorly christian.
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you literally just linked a page that agree with what I just said
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games tend to use Viking word only for the raider units / regiments , inside a civilization named Danes, Norse, Norsemen, Scandinavians, Norway, etc… now
Because using Viking for a civilization is just too much innacurate. It’s like naming a civilization “Crusaders”.
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Nope.
Check the dates on the link, and whne this game starts. It starts around the 900s, when:
" Denmark
While an earlier Danish Viking king, Harald Klak, had been baptized in 826, it wasn’t until King Harald Bluetooth was baptized in 965 that Christianity took a firmer hold in Denmark. Harald Bluetooth raised the Jelling Stone proclaiming that he made all Danes Christian, although the new faith lived side by side with the old for the next few hundred years. Danish Vikings accepted Christianity slowly. By 1110 the first stone cathedral was begun in Denmark’s oldest city of Ribe. It was finished in 1134. By then, most Danes had become Christian.
Norway
Although a few earlier kings had adopted Christianity, it wasn’t until 995 when Olaf Tryggvason led a successful revolt against the pagan king Hakkon Jarl that Christianity came to Norway. Olaf Tryggvason became King Olaf I and proceeded to convert Norwegians to Christianity by force. He burned pagan temples and killed Vikings who wouldn’t convert. Through these violent methods, every part of Norway became Christian, at least in name. Various kings’ sagas attribute the Christianization of Iceland and the other Western islands to Olaf’s efforts.
Sweden
During the later Viking Age, Christianity began making inroads in Sweden, with Episcopal sees being established during the 11th century. Conflict and violence also attended Sweden’s gradual conversion to Christianity, but generally the old and new faith co-existed for many years. Most Swedish Vikings of this time favored a gradual transition to the new religion while continuing some of the old religion’s rituals. By the 12th century, however, Sweden was predominantly Christian."
So we start seeing THE MOST PROMINENT of Viking Kings being christian around whne the game begins.
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the meaning of words change over time you can literally seee it in this chat where people are trying to change the meaning of the word Viking into something that describes a job when to me it describes a people with shared culture, language and gods during a specific era in time.
THere are always going to be people that will try to change meanings of words and history and ■■■■.
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Despite the technical definition of “Vikings”, the general public has equated the term with Dark Age Norsemen. Any Norse civ ought to be called Vikings for cool points alone, imo.
That would go against Adam Isgreen’s plan that this game teaches real History.
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we call that an exonym.
It’s not because europeans named different muslim cilivizations : Saracens, than Sarancens is the best word.
It’s not because other nations named all the Scandinavians as viking, because they mainly met vikings (so scandinavians doing the the job of viking), than they called their own civilization viking …
In the case of Scandinavians, like Danes, they used Vikings for their pirates / adventurers / traders… Never for their civilization.
Using Vikings right is just better in term of historical informations we want to get on a civilization we like.
Having Danes producing Vikings on naust in early ages, going into a strong medieval kingdom is way more interesting, than any fantasy
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You know what motivates people to learn history? Cool points. I got a history degree because of it.
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If that is the case then we should also get 1 civ instead of France, England and the HRE that we would just call Cursaders because the name is cool and people don’t need to learn the actual history.
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“If that is the case then we should also get 1 civ instead of France, England and the HRE that we would just call Cursaders because the name is cool and people don’t need to learn the actual history.”
no
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How is that different from what you are wanting to happen with the nordic Kingdoms?
#dubblestandards
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If you want to learn real history play games like Crusader Kings or Europa Universalis.
This game is an RTS.
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Not a double standard. People are well-acquainted with the Vikings and using that word to refer to all of the Scandinavians of the period. People are not accustomed to using Crusader to refer to all Western Europeans regardless of time, profession and location. It would be needlessly confusing whereas using Vikings would not be.
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I mean, maybe an umbrella civ for all the crusader kingdoms established in the holy land, why not. They weren’t all that dissimilar between each other. But otherwise your post just sounds silly.
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Tell that to Adam Isgreen. Being RTS also does not disqualify a game from being accurate.
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