England and France is already an umbrella term since it wasnt even ruled over by the same people during its lifespan.
Just because everyone learned it wrong through pop culture doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t start to actually teach the people the right things.
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Serious question. How does not calling them Vikings benefit humanity or the world? Why do you feel that it is necessary to teach people not to call them Vikings unless specifically referring to Viking raiders in the Dark Ages?
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It would be real and accurate, while calling a people Vikings is not.
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Now you are just being ignorant. Then why should we learn about history at all if it doesn’t matter anyways.
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I counter-claim that you are being ignorant.
Learning history is about many things. It is about learning and charting human patterns and progress. It is for inspiration. It is for situating where we are in the world.
It is not about needlessly nitpicking semantics.
Or at least, not needlessly nitpicking semantics doesn’t leave learning history without purpose.
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I mean you are not wrong but at what point do we stop to care about the details? If the details aren’t important how will we actually be able to read the findings we make about history the right way? Because if that doesn’t matter then the whole idea of learning about history doesn’t matter because we will never be able to get close to the truth that way and everyone can just start to make up things how they want because the details don’t matter.
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Guys, keep historical accuracy, doesn’t mean it makes things look and sound cool.
Like Vikings have horned helms, sure it looks cool, but they kind of didn’t wear those.
Viking warriors are associated with horned helmets in popular culture, but there is no evidence that Viking helmets had horns.
Or if we take as example Dinosaurs.
Dinosaurs depiction did too change quite a lot with more available information.
Old School T-Rex looks very cool, but in modern terms, he looks like a big fluffy chicken.
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what about mongols? It was a federation of many different tribes of people yet they are known as simply the Mongols.
Vikings Age representation is already sinking with all the fantasy clichés in all videogames, tv shows, etc …
Would be nice to have a proper implementation for them in aoe 4, to avoid a wave of legit complaints after reveal (as it happens for some of the vanilla civilizations right now).
Anyway, Viking age stopped to be a thing in the late ages covered by age of empires 4 (gunpowder era, etc), so it’s unlikely they will be named as viking, and viking age will only be the early step of a Danes / Norse civilization.
And isn’t this debate completly off topic here ?
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It’s different in the sense that Mongol is actually an ethnicity but of course it is also important to know that they were different tribes until they were unified by ghengis Khan.
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So this is about you guys wanting a Danish civ? I thought it was about changing the meaning of the word viking. Maybe its both.
em, if so why are you using an outdated lizard depiction of a dinosaur for your avatar picture
by your logic, you should use the modern version, where they look like a big chicken
there are simply things people prefer them, the way they used to be.
Adam’s statement is so broad that anyone can use it to support anything they want. It doesn’t solve the underlying debate of whether x feature is or is not based in history.
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I’m not into dinosaurs I’m not even sure they are real. And btw this is a case of whataboutism.
I don’t change the meaning of Vikings word. Vikings word means “seaborne raiders” for the Civilization speaking Norse language…
And vikings was used as exonym by other civilizations to designate the norse poeple.
And I don’t especially want Danish… Norway, Scandinavian, Norse, Norsemen, are all legit conventions of Cilivizations which had a part of their population being seaborne raiders = vikings.
well how old are you? Im probably alot older than you and watching history channel in the last 10 year they are trying to change the word viking to meaning a job so I get it if you are confused right now if thats where you learned about vikings.
Ok, and why no Swedish?
Aoe3 have the Sweden as a second latest civ
Swedish work, but they founded Rus’ states. So they are already highlighted in some way.
Your history channel probably never specified than the norse poeple didn’t call their civilization viking :
'Vikings is the modern name given to seafaring Norse pirates from southern Scandinavia (present-day Denmark, Norway and Sweden) who from the late 8th to the late 11th centuries raided, pirated, traded and settled throughout parts of Europe" Encyclopaedia Britannica.
All Danes, Norwegians, Swedes were not pirates
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