Let's talk about Civ representation from Sub-Saharan Africa and Oceania

Somalis and Songhay as well.

Tbh outside Kanem Bornu (who still interacted quite a bit with the Fatimids I think) and Hausa who were a bit too far the sea the major African kingdoms werent that isolated

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is a geographic region that includes Australasia, Melanesia, Micronesia and Polynesia.

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Wouldn’t Kalmar Union better represent the medieval timeframe? 1397–1537 AD
Vikings kind of were from 700 to 1100 AD

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They did not. They got beat on the First Mongol Invasion, but caused so many casualties that the Mongols could not subjugate them, so the Mongols sent emissaries to ask them to pledge allegiance.
The Hungarians did not even dignify it with an answer, so a few years later the Mongols attacked again, in greater force, but were crushed so brutally, they abandoned pushing further into Europe altogether, and just raided the borders of Eastern Europe since.

The Second Mongol Invasion of Hungary is a military case study of how a much superior force on the offence, can be defeated by a much lesser defender, to the point that attempting another invasion becomes impossible.
It is one of the greatest military defeats in History, but an overpowering aggressor,

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I wouldnt call defeating the later Golden horde defeating the Mongols even if both are big achievements

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The reason I prefer these names are that Danes or Norse represent both periods, but kalmar also works since it fits the late Middle Ages.

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Kalmar doesn’t really have as much ring to it. If my job was on the line if DLC did not sell, I’d be afraid of naming a civ with a less well known name. It doesn’t really package well into press releases and ads.

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Considering how ignorant you are it seems like you should be reading more. You not only are wholly disrespectful to people on here and in general your “facts” about africa are simply ridiculous. What exactly makes you doubt what is said here and additionally what makes you doubt dinosaurs exist? I would prefer not to berate or belittle you but it seems you are obstinate to a fault about accepting others sources and facts.

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hear hear,

Now me Tonga time! :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Low key though, villagers that can instantly traverse water like a fishing ship. I need this in aoe2 and 4.

Is that your counter argument? It just looks like a personal attack to me.

Here’s the counter argument, maybe if you read everything you would’ve found it.

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that’s not an argument that is a question

That is one sentence arguing, one sentence trying to better understand why you try to talk about something you clearly don’t know about.

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thats also not an argument

Saying your facts of Africa are wrong isn’t an argument, alright I guess 60% of what happens on this entire forum isn’t arguments if disproving information isn’t an argument.

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Yea lets be kids. You are wrong. I win.

Since you seemed to overlook it

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It’s actually even more odd people don’t know anything about Polynesians
Everybody knows those odd Easter Island head Statues, but nothing about the people who did build it.
Polynesian Seafarers ‘Discovered’ America Long Before Europeans, DNA proofed Study.




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To survive in Polynesia, they needed to learn how to make ships, fast and sturdy.
It is not a wonder that they had been to the Americas before, but it still does not make them empires.

It is also worth noting that even though they may have gone to the Americas, it was not a regular occurrence, or else the American peoples would have inevitably copied their ship-building and designs.

It would have also united America with Asia, and there would have been an American interest in going over the seas, at least the Pacific, to see who was on the other side, what capabilities they had, and if they could ever be a threat.

This did not happen, and the Americans remained in deep isolation, which is why they did not get on a comparative tech level with the Old World.

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