Malay castle architectural with identity crisis

This one architecture is a 16th century meeting halls on top of european fort

How it looks like in real life

I compile some architecture remains that is located in Sumatra island which is under Malay area of influence. The current Malay castle which is based from “Rumah Gadang” on top of european wall should be changed. Perhaps something more like walled fort with main temple in the middle. The “Rumah Gadang” should become the Malay wonders if there is a split between the Malays and Javanese.

  1. Indra Patra Fortress Complex located in northern part of Sumatra island, created by Lamuri a Hindu Kingdom and vassal of both Srivijaya and Majapahit, this Kingdom also the precursor of Aceh Sultanate. This fort still exist to this day overlooking the entry to the straits of Malacca, created in 7th century.


  2. Inong Balee Fort. Inong Balee is the widow army raised by Admiral Keumalahayati to avenge the death of her and other widows husband who is killed by the Dutch in the 16th century. The fort is also close to the Indra Patra above and share similar construction albeit smaller and constructed centuries apart.

  3. Muaro Jambi Temple Compounds. Located in Jambi, the heartland of Malay Kingdom estimated since 7th-13th century. This Buddhist site was rediscovered in 19th century and partially restored in 20th century.


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Great work, it is much needed.

Literally Malay Castle if it is in Lord of the Ring

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Reference 1 seems to be exactly the base of the current castle, I don’t get your point…

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This is a game not a historical thesis.Get over your my people are not historically accurate mentality.

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The “its a game argument” is a bit pointless when the buikding is so damn ugly

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I mostly just think the proportions between the wooden part and the stone part look the most off out of all the new castles.

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I think is one the best new castles

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It does look quite lop-sided also

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Exactly this, I really wish they would scale down the wooden house and change it into a symmetrical design.

No surprise there. Malay is a mess. I’m not shocked that their Castle and Karambit Warrior designs are messes too.

Always hated that Karambit warrior. I would love to see it altered or replaced.

The Cuman castle was cool but the Hun castle looks like a fake church on top of a castle. For the Malay, I hope they change the stone to wood.

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Actually, this looks badass.

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Ngl I actually really like the look of that castle. I know I heard one person say the lower stone part should use darker stone to reflect the volcanic stone in Indonesia, which make sense and I agree with, but beyond that I think it has great flavor and I like it.

Malay castle might fit Vikings. LoL


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It just looks very squished to me

Were these from the Chivarly mod? The barracks could use some more wood.

For something like this, we ought to learn historiography, not history. Historiography is different from history. Historiography talks about how the history itself is formed, or “approach to history”. It’s like investigation about historical “facts” or data itself: Who is Malahayati? What is the first manuscript mentioning Malahayati? Is it recorded in its supposed era or in the later era? Is there a contemporary (from their era) source supporting their existence?

  1. Indra Patra Fortress Complex located in northern part of Sumatra island, created by Lamuri a Hindu Kingdom … created in 7th century.

Wikipedia cites a tourism website, which is not a reliable source for history articles. As an example, several Indonesian tourism websites stated that the Pinisi ship was already used in the 14th century while in reality, no earlier than the 19th century. The website itself did not cite any source. The claim of 7th-century origin seems to have stemmed from the supposed existence of the Lamuri Kingdom (7th century), however, the Lamuri Kingdom itself was only recorded in the 9th century and beyond.

Indonesia-tourism.com states “In the Main fortress there are two stupas or a building that takes after an arch where the inside or under the vault there are wells or water sources, which (at the time), utilized by Hindus for ablutions as a part of the religion service arrangement.” – The existence of the stupa seems to indicate that this fort must be built pre-Islamic arrival, but those are not really stupas, they’re domed structure built to protect water source, and domed structures only appeared in Nusantara after the 19th century: In indigenous Indo–Malay–Filipino mosques, where domes should be applied, they used stepped pyramidal roof derived from Meru shape instead.

What people usually miss is that Indo-Malaysian Hindu-Buddhist structures are symmetric. The overall plan of the fort and the position of the stupas are not symmetric, it is placed in a seemingly random location inside the fort. The fort also has noticeable cannon/gun ports. By all available evidence, the second information in the Wiki is more accurate: It’s a 17th-century fort. It could even be later, post-17th century.

  1. Inong Balee Fort. Inong Balee is the widow army raised by Admiral Keumalahayati to avenge the death of her and other widows husband who is killed by the Dutch in the 16th century.

Keumalahati has been investigated by Acehnese, Malaysian, and even Western scholars. All evidence pointed out that she was a character that was “invented” in the 20th century, taken from Marie van Zeggelen’s book Oude Glorie (1935). It is possible that Marie van Zeggelen based that character on an oral story of an Acehnese heroine, but that doesn’t mean she existed. Malahayati’s feats cannot be collaborated with Dutch records. The fort itself cannot be reliably dated from the 17th century (the 1600s), the closest structure indicates 19th-century origin.

The most important thing in historiography to prove that some people existed is to find out the source mentioning their name in their respective era. Can’t really prove Brawijaya existed if the indicated source only mentions “O Rei de Java” – the name “Brawijaya” itself must be recorded in that sentence. Can’t really prove Hang Tuah existed if the source only mentions “lesomana” or “lassemane”, because it could be anyone. While John Davis mentioned a woman admiral in Alauddin Riayat Shah’s court, he did not record “Keumalahayati” or “Malahayati”. Where do these names come from? From Marie van Zeggelen’s book Oude Glorie (1935). Van Zeggelen was mistaken by author(s) as a “Historian” .

The closest “fortification” that the devs could use to base the model on should be Muaro Jambi complex since several temples did have outer walls to mark the boundary of the temple’s mandala. It is not a castle per se — medieval Malay people did not build castles, the most prominent Malay fortification consists of palisade/stockade made of wood and bamboo. It means that the structure in the Malay Castle’s model should be using red brick instead of white stones. As I said before, Indo-Malaysian pre-Islamic structures are symmetric, while the current Malay Castle is not symmetric.

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Does the OP’s 2nd image show wood at the base, though? When zoomed in, I can’t tell, as it’s very decorative. Maybe if devs just make the base decorative and/or dark like that with some notion of an intricate pattern, it’d be enough? Unless there is real world example or record of the base looking how the devs did it.


I agree with @Mahazona… I’m pretty flexible with this. And the same goes for any and all AoE2 civs. I’m just not looking to use AoE2 as a reference for any History classes taken at University. I think a balance should exist between making a fun game and spending a ton of time, energy, and resources researching every little historical detail to make sure every pixel and sound adheres to precise historical reality. If OP’s 2nd image is accurate, I think it could be a quick win to make the base of Malay’s castle look more like that, however.


Also, at least it doesn’t look like this, right? :slight_smile: