Are those new/adjusted balance changes for the pup? To be considered un top of the original update?
yes.
Also the battleships were already there
Just an update from Sunbros Excel sheet regarding Aztec:
+1100 ELO: 1134 Aztec games, winrate 50%
+1250 ELO: 744 Aztec games: winrate 50%
+1400 ELO: 416 Aztec games: winrate 50%
Hard nerfing Aztec now without proper compensation will make this civ bottom tier.
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I dont understand plaza nerf neither. Now Ixtilton card feels weak since is just 2 villagers more. Possibly another card os more usefull since they are limited on slots
They already nerfed building HPs age up and 2 barracks travois HP bonus, I guess cause Town dance becoming stronger. Nosense right now if they weak community plaza.
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Most likely, the Spring Update will focus on naval warfare.
Maybe more brand new maps await us!
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looks like we got another small update rn
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Content & Balance:
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Light Infantry cavalry multiplier update
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Mortar unit attacks
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Stability:
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Fixed some crashes caused by mods that affect civilizations’ tech trees.
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Fixed a crash that would sometimes occur when selling livestock.
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Updated the system that handles particle effects.
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What do you mean. This IS the spring update! Devs have confirmed already.
How did they change the light infantry multi?
Multi is now 0.6 against HC
Regarding brits, I really wish they had the explorer card in age 1, not in age 2, where it has to complete with hussar and musket upgrades, advanced arsenal, viligers and unit shipments. I really feel that having it in age1 might actually make the card viable and allow brits some new openings. Right now you either go crates or you spam 2 vilagers.
Regarding aztecs, they are fine even after those nerfs.
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I wonder if we’ll see any future changes to Spanish and British Battleships?
They both seem really rather boring compared to the rest of the Euro civ’s cards!
I’d love to see some sort of perk for the Spanish that refers to how solid/tough their battleships were by way of more HP or Ranged Resistance.
For the Brits, having some sort of Leadership aura which affects surround ships, combat promotions or even being able to train ‘Royal Marines’ would be neat.
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You are saying it based on what? Did you test it? How many games did you play with Aztecs?
They currently have 50% winrate in all ELO levels based on over 1100 games. PUP nerfs them in a hard way so they will fall much below 50% for sure.
3,7% cost increase from 135 to 140 wood makes them useless? For a civ with roughly the best mid-game eco?
Try to be at least a little less biased…
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The implications of the British nerfs are far bigger than just a 3.5% nerf to houses. The loss of the 3 villager card hits the so called best mid game economy to the point it becomes worthless.
Just wait and see, nobody will play brits at high level after this patch.
no its still 0.6 against all cav, apprently some units still had their old negative multi against heavy cav so they were stacking double negative multis
also small nerfs to azaps
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It feels unfair to nerf a civ with such a low pick rate as Aztecs. And even more so when they got the perfect win rate.
I don’t think they win rate will fall that hard, and wouldnt see a problem with them being a little below average if they got a ### #### rate. Nerfing an underused civ without relative compensation (AK damage to wall dont count as every civ gets it) is really sad.
I do not get either why people make such a big deal about 5w/manor either. Maybe because I am not playing at a high enough level.
For me, British players just need too produce one less musketeer/longbow, and they save 70w/60w. It doesnt sound that horrible in itself, especially for a civ with over 8% play rate.
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Seems to me that Spanish and British are always treated as the “standard” civ of the era. First to be designed, first to be reworked…and usually getting the most unflavored stuff.
At least Spanish have Spanish gold, hacienda and soldado. These add some varieties to them. British have been doing the exact same build for decades. I don’t know how they could nerf that one build and offer no other options.
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You are really hardworking on destroying native civs under your bias.
Respect.
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The 3 vills is a real nerf and valid. Any midgame economy that can turtle boom while under an aztec rush deserves a nerf. 5 wood per manor house is crying about nothing.
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At 140 per house the real price is closer to 150, all told. The British house takes ten seconds longer to build than other civs.
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