I wish to see Japanese, Korean and Chinese campaigns in the next DLC.
Japan is full with mythology (I personally don’t care if the Japanese campaign is based only on the Japanese civ).
Dreaming of a “Kamikaze” scenario, in which the Japanese try to stop the Mongol invasions.
Korea has a number of glorious events too and China - half of the human inventions and stories came from there, seems like that part has been neglected a bit.
The Arab conquest, the 6th and 7th centuries.
Persia, more nomads.
According to the results of the last poll so far it seems that the majority agree, but with specific reference to what I wrote - what do you say?
The Kamikaze feels like it could be a great one-time mission, if the typhoon mechanism is done right, but making a full campaign out of it would feel like stretching.
Often the question should be : is a full campaign really needed for the story or would one expansive single scenario still do the job without outstaying its welcome ?
Or two if, like Constantine XI / Fetih, it allows being played on both sides (Japanese AND Mongols). The Mongols being stronger but on an unsaid timer due to the typhoon, while the Japanese have to resist until the storm hits to turn the tide in their favour.
If you really want to stretch it - the campaign can start at the end of the Heian period and the classical era.
From there the Kamakura period, Minamoto and the Genpei war.
Founding of the Shogunate Institution.
Continues through naval events with China and the Wakō (Japanese pirates).
ends with the Mongol invasions.
Japan enters its feudal age and struggles to keep the country united, sanctifying its culture and thriving through an emphasis on self-development…
I think I’ve mentioned about this in other threads a few times. The Wokou or Wako were a multinational pirate and trade organization and weren’t strictly Japanese. In fact according to historical records most of them were Chinese fishermen and merchants, and several important Wokou leaders were Chinese as well.
And you got the timeline wrong. The Mongol invasion of Japan happened in the late 13th century, whereas the Wokou only became a thing in the 15th to 16th centuries. They were really the last major wave of Asian pirates, in the earlier medieval periods the Chams, the Malays, and the South Chinese were the major groups of pirates in the region.
They may have started in the 13th century, but at that time they were very much non-influential.
They only became a major security concern to China and Korea in the 14th to the 15th centuries, culminating in the 16th. That’s the time when they became a multinational organization composed of mostly Chinese with some Japanese and Portuguese.
Really Japanese weren’t the only pirates in the region. I’m not pro-Japan but I think equating the Wokou with only the Japanese is a very simplified and narrow-minded view that doesn’t reflect their true nature.
China already had trade relations with Japan since the Tang era, and culminated in the Song era with the Song importing tons of sulfur from Japan to make gunpowder. Japanese swords were another highly-valued merchandise that got imported to China.
I didn’t say anything about equating the Wokou with only the Japanese but I don’t understand why in every response it switches to some kind of personal “insults” like narrow minded view, is it possible to talk to each other without it? (just checking)
And to show you that it’s not ego - I checked what you say and you’re right.
I’m sorry if my use of words sounds a bit harsh and I apologize for that, but please do not make assumptions about things that you don’t know or have no clues about. If you have any question about East or SE Asian history you can ask me about it cause I know quite a lot about those regions. I’m not claiming that I’m an expert but I certainly know more than a lot of people on this forum.
At this point it’s getting a bit tiresome since I’ve already explained the issue of the identity of the Wokou quite a few times in other threads, and I have a feeling that I’m repeating things and people simply won’t listen, that’s why I’m getting a bit irritated when I saw you making the same assumptions again.
A. got it.
B. I didn’t read what you wrote in previous threads and I didn’t make any assumptions, I said what I thought according to what I knew.
I don’t think I need to apologize for this and I always try to speak from as much knowledge as possible (and by the way, I also have considerable knowledge in many fields).
Try to be nicer, people in general should be much nicer to each other in this forum.
I’m not asking you for an apology, and I’m not denying that you may have considerable knowledge in other fields, but regarding the Wokou you were indeed wrong.
You see I never make random assumptions about the domains that I’m not familiar with such as African history or some parts of European history, and I hope that people could do the same with East & SE Asian history.
And I agree with you that people should be nicer to each other on this forum. I think we can end our discussion on that note. Cheers!