Listen, I don’t want to offend and I’d love to end the discussion on a positive note.
But why is it important to you to emphasize that I was wrong and that’s why there is some justification to speak badly?
The early wakou were recorded by the Mongols and I read this term not long ago when I was interested in the Mongol invasions of Japan.
It is written that in those years they interfered with trade and relations between the countries at sea, so I proposed the idea of including them in the campaign.
I didn’t say anything about the timeline, I didn’t say anything about them being just Japanese civilization - because I didn’t know beyond what I knew.
Following what you wrote, I read that they were probably not something serious at the time.
All this bickering provokes antagonism, on a different note we can all be educated and have fun.
Anyway… you expanded the subject for me and I don’t think you want to hurt either, thank you very much for the knowledge as it allows research and I mean it.
Do you have any historical evidence to prove that Kublai Khan and other Mongol elites referred to Japan as “Wokou”? If you do please show me, I’m interesting to see it.
No, because I don’t understand the subject like you do and I give you all the credit for that.
I read it online and I already said that after I delved deeper, that they probably did not constitute a significant force.
What I said in the beginning is still written by the way, but I won’t copy it for you to prove myself right, you’ll have to look it up and see for yourself.
Please forgive me for recommending my own concept that included campaigns for Songtsen Gampo (Tibetans), Ashina Qutlugh (Gokturks), The Ikhshids (Sogdians), Empress Dowager Xiao (Khitans), Wuzhu (Jurchens) and Yue Fei (Chinese).
And then, maybe a DLC with no new civs, including Japanese campaign, Korean campaign and some Historical Scenarios.
Japanese: Sanada Masayuki with his two sons. Here the concept.
Koreans: Kim Yushin
Narrated by Wang Geon, the protagonist of Kaesong and the founder of the Goryeo Dynasty who reunited Korea in the 10th century.
Defeat competitor Bidam in the Hwarang test, successfully get promoted and gain command of the Silla army, and then join forces with Baekje to repel Goguryeo’s southern invasion.
Assist the Queen of Silla and fight with Bidam against the invasion of Baekje and Goguryeo in 642-643.
Suppress the Bidam’s rebellion, build Hwangnyong Temple (wonder), and protect the Queen and Hwangnyong Temple.
Together with General Su Dingfang, lead the Silla-Tang Alliance to defeat the Baekje-Yamato Alliance in the Battle of Baekgang.
After conquering Goguryeo, the Tang want to conquer the entire Korean Peninsula. Kim must lead the unified Korea to defeat the Tang Dynasty army and their Gokturk allies.
Historical Scenarios:
Kaesong: Simplify and remake the HD version of Kaesong.
Talas: Play as Karluks (Gokturks) and choose to help the Arab-Tibetan Alliance or the Tang Dynasty in the Battle of Talas. The former controls a large area of the map and controls resource points, while the latter has a powerful army and technological advantages.
Chang’an: The prince of the Tang Dynasty vows to regain his territory and repel the An Lushan Rebellion.
Yalu River: The Jurchens, located in the center of the battlefield, need to choose their own destiny in the war between the Khitans and the Koreans. Here the concept of Chang’an and Yalu River.
Kamikaze: The Mongols and the Koreans and Chinese controlled by them will invade Japan!
Prepare your defense and faith within 15 minutes to withstand their powerful and endless invasion until the kamikaze comes in the 30th minute. A more intense second invasion will begin in the 40th minute, and you must persist until the second kamikaze comes in the 60th minute.
Treasure Voyage: Quanzhou is a small base on a corner of the super huge map with a market, two docks and military buildings. The Ming Chinese Treasure Fleet (yellow) will set off from here to explore the world in the south and west. Although the Emperor will provide regular funding, you will not have any villagers, so you will need to continue your adventure further by completing objectives related to each AI player.
Fishing and tradeing on sea will be a very important source of income, but Pirates (gray) will appear endlessly and attack the Chinese and other allies.
Champa (red) is a loyal but weak ally. Chinese can trade with them by sea. Tribute them 1000 food, and they will give you control of some of their military buildings and docks.
Malays (blue) are neutral. Clear out the pirate bases in Sumatra and the Malay Peninsula to safely cross the Strait of Malacca and to establish an alliance with Malays to receive tributes regularly from them.
Don’t go too far from land in the Indian Ocean or you’ll encounter worms.
Ceylon (cyan) is hostile to the Chinese. Kill their king, force them to be allied, and take control of their docks and military buildings.
Escorted an Indian king from South India (Orange) to Quanzhou. At the same time, rebels (gray) will appear on Java Island. An attempt could be made to sweep off the rebels from Java to avoid Malays defeat, but the king have to live or South India will be hostile and you will have to defeat them and force them to be allied again. After the king returns safely to South India, you will receive tributes regularly from them.
Help the Muslims (Green) collect 5 Relics controlled by the rebels (gray) across the Middle East and place them in the monastery in Mecca. Once completed, their sea gates will be unlocked and open to trade.
Go ashore at various coastal settlements (purple) to get help from the locals. For example, you can get ship regeneration in Bangal, Galleon’s faster fire in Yemen, and a ship of African wild animals in Swahili that can be exchanged for 2000 gold after being shipped back to Quanzhou. Some settlements are controlled by pirates and you must liberate them before you receive the benefits.
Complete the scenario by finding the missing former Ming emperor while holding 100000 gold.
Cool ideas.
I especially liked Kamikaze and Treasure Voyage, and that the scenarios contain multiple arenas and multiple enemies.
Apart from the game, there is also the discovery of new cultures and what they are interested in achieving at that time - and I think that this is where you managed to express a lot of inspiration.
Inspired by this topic, I conceived the concept of an Asian campaign DLC. There I elaborated on the above ideas in more detail and added some new ones. Maybe you will be interested.
Great thread - I really liked Kim Yushin, Xuanwu Gate, Talas, Kara-Khitai and Treasure Voyage.
And of course the scenario I suggested before - Kamikaze.