My ideas on next balance change

[GermanAttorney8]

@SMUM15236

Mangonels are already an anti-archer anyway. Just not at high elos.

Tbh I would prefer scrops to be anti light armor unit while mangonel focus more on anti siege and anti city weapons.

If you watch closely, so many archer vs archer games turn into mango vs mango + monk games, which is already unfun.

[SMUM15236]

@GermanAttorney8

They need help in midgame.

Which I’m giving.

@GermanAttorney8

You are buffing their lategame too much. Consider Arena players.

I’m nerfing their late game in Arena.

@GermanAttorney8

Consider arena players.

Do you think this will be too OP in Arena? They need to spend a lot of resource to get the upgrades. And may not get the 2nd mining techs in the end as they are too expensive.

@GermanAttorney8

but the unique tech sounds boring

You’re welcome to suggest a new UT.

@GermanAttorney8

I still insist that Chinese should lose champion and/or heavy camels.

I have no problem with that. Maybe lose whole camel line.

@GermanAttorney8

Why?

Consider Arena players.

@SergioNieves604

This is actually a super team bonus in water maps and nomad. Unnecessary change.

Which is exactly why this need to be changed. Either that or less wood on age up. But then you need better land bonus.

@SergioNieves604

No, no, no. I know France used Arbalests, and actually that is where the word comes from, but there’s a reason Franks don’t get Arbalesters. They are already super strong, and giving them a common counter to Halbs would make them completely broken.

I’s love to see how is this broken and why would you invest 450 food, 400 gold + 275 food, 275 gold over THX or HC.

@SergioNieves604

It was nerfed in December for a reason.

Yeah and now it is overnerfed.

@SergioNieves604

Again, they got them removed for a reason. If Saracens, Malians, Berbers and Gurjaras don’t get halbs because their camels are so good, why do Hindustanis should get Halberdier?

Because -

1. Countering only cavalry is not the job of halberdier.
2. None of those civs anti-archer option is locked in Castle.
3. Other than Gurjaras, all have better pikeman than Hindustanis.

@SergioNieves604

you take the risk of breaking them in closed maps.

Well, you always have to take risk to achieve something. Let’s see how it goes and then we can change it in 2 months if necessary. I actually missed one change. BE training time increased 24 sec → 33 sec.

@GermanAttorney8

Tbh I would prefer scrops to be anti light armor unit while mangonel focus more on anti siege and anti city weapons.

I’d love to see scorpions more use. But then Mango needs to lose some base attack for not being the best anti-archer weapon in low to mid elo. Their anti building attack needs to compensate to off set that.

[SergioNieves604]

@SMUM15236

Countering only cavalry is not the job of halberdier.

Well, it still is its main function. They are good vs cav and die to literally everything else.

@SMUM15236

None of those civs anti-archer option is locked in Castle.

What does an anti archer option have to do with an anti cav option? And its not like Hindustanis can’t use Skirms to counter archers, they have Thumb Ring, the last armor and Bracer. Besides the Ghulam is getting buffed in the next patch.

[SMUM15236]

@SergioNieves604

What does an anti archer option have to do with an anti cav option?

Because almost if not all anti-cav options are vulnerable to archer. Opponent will most likely to go archers against camel players. And unlike other civs that you mentioned, Hindustanis lack knight. Camel even for the old Indians with +1PA, was not even close to knight against archer, siege and at raiding.

@filtercoffee488

I agree that team bonus change would be nice. However, this is a huge nerf to the civ, which has very few water bonuses already.

I’m thinking about a land bonus as TB to introduce their terrible weakness against siege. Scout cavalry line +3 bonus attack vs siege.