Nerf caroleans? A little too absurd? V2

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@Khorix9572

I believe more more games need to be played What you’re saying is right but a unit with more range definitely has better time vs carolean. I’ve played with other skirms and I can say I don’t have that horrible time russia has.

Yeah, I will admit that only 2 weeks playing as Swedes might not be the best sample.

I guess what I’m trying to say is the problem is Strelets being bad in general, not Caroleans being particularly good at ranged fights. (I think that they are too good on melee thought)

Strelets loses fights because they are outranged to Skirmishers, Dragoons and Caroleans.

So I guess the problem is not Caroleans having too much range, is Strelets having too few range and Russia don’t having other option.

Because even if we nerf Caroleans ranged attack, Strelets will just still lose to Dragoons and other Skirmishers. So I guess Russia needs a Skirmisher unit.

Somedays ago I actually proposed a Chinese Mercenary Contractor for Russia to solve this problem. (Sugestion: Chinese Mercenary Contractor for Russians)

I think giving Russia a Skirmisher unit will be the ideal solution, and a lot of other civilization already have Mercenary Contractor that fill the gap of units that these civs don’t have (Lil Bombards to Portugal since they don’t have a Falconets, Fusiliers for Dutch since they don’t have Musketeers, and Jaegars to Swedes and British since they don’t have Skirmishers, etc)
So I don’t think is too absurd to give Russia a politician that allows them to create a good ranged unit (Iron Troop).

@FurtherLime7936

I know how frustrating is and yes (Mostly from Ashis speed) both Caroleans and Ashis should be nerfed, the Svea guard is broken, making units above their counters in AOE 3 (Learned this from Obsidian arrows and pre nerf Arambai of AOE 2) is flawed design (Spanish lancers the exception).

Thing about Ashigarus is that they have a quite bad melee attack. I actually believe that they are the only Musketeer in the game that loses a fight to a Hussar.

So they cannot realistic charge at Skirmishers like Caroleans do, since they don’t do nowhere near as much damage. They only can kite Russian Strelets and the Aztec Macehualtins.

@DAC1789

You are trying to counter an army of Guard upgraded units with a tiny underpowered mass of veteran skirms that NEED to be massed to be efective.

Of course he won… The problem are not the caroleans here.

You should have upgraded your Strelets to Guard and give them AT LEAST Strelet Combat and Boyars, otherwise they are really weak. After this you need to have at least a decent mass and not equal numbers, as they lose to equal numbers vs mostly every unit (and dont miss micro…)

But this is exactly why Strelets are bad. You need to upgrade they too much, and have a ton on the field (That ocupies a lot of population space), and they still have such a low range that they keep getting poked by units with higher range and dying for no reason.