Different or not, it is still an aoe, more controversial and less popular yes, but after all… but you get your point…
Best RTS of the year? And what other RTS do we have to compare it with ?
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Sabes tengo entendido que el aoe 3 no hiba a ser parte de la franquisia principal de aoe sino que seria un spinoff llamado “Age Of Discovery”
anyway I did not say the best of the year, I said among the best, obviously the only companies that make rts are the indie ones, but in your opinion why is there little competition? because it is a complicated genre, with little audience and difficult to balance, if you do not like it among the best of the year, then remove the year, because for now it is, critical when you want, but it will not be of any use
Thank you, you’re right.
Is complicated yes but it is not niche, we have tempest rising, company of heroes 3 and homeworld 3 releasing soon, that means that there is market for these games, In past years we had incompetent publishers that’s why many RTS studios died but community has been there always waiting for a good Dawn of war game 
Yes and it’s not going to be that you go a little out of the mold no?..whether they like it or not, directly or indirectly, aoe 2 did a lot of damage to the saga…
Yes, I share everything you say, ES took a risk simply because it had a lot of competition with WC3 and also because online games were coming, and well sometimes risking a lot can go well or you can go wrong, luckily AoE 3 knew how to get ahead despite everything and I hope that with AoE 4 the same thing happens …
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For that matter it’s the same… although if it is called the Eastern Roman Empire it can generate confusion with the Holy Roman Empire due to the fact that both used the double-headed eagle as a banner…
They were the Román Empire, there was no west nor co emperor, no need yo call it east anymore
But if they call them byzantines i would not mind, Even if it is wrong
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How on earth did AoE2 do damage to the saga?
AoE2 kept the series alive FAR more than any other game.
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si, le hizo daño, pero no en el sentido del cual tu hablas, le hizo daño en su aspecto jugable, no le permitio a la saga evolucionar ni adaptarse a nuevos tiempos.
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It’s still niche. RTS as a genre looks massively small compared to even the 4x franchises, which in turn are laughed at by ARPGs and FPS franchises.
When people say “niche” they don’t mean “bad”.
The same opinion abounds for Age IV, perhaps ironically.
Everyone is going to favour what they favour. Tautology, I know. But like your sweeping commens about the AoE II fanbase and what they apparently do or don’t get, it’s just more evidence of how divided the fanbase is. No single game is going to reconcile that many players.
(which is why I’m glad Age IV is finding its own feet even if it stuck with the safe option of rooting certain principles in AoE II)
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Well you can always change civ or use the imperial crypt to pass equipment from one civ to the other… I for example am level 29 with the Greeks and I have Celtic, Egyptian and Roman equipment stored in the imperial crypt ready to pass them on to my other civs as soon as I finish with the Greeks…
To be fair, AoE4 does not appear to be close to the 8th best selling game game of 2021
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That’s because the entire landscape is different. And that’s before we even talk about digital and the rise of games-as-a-service. The big genres are bigger than ever; less popular genres aren’t going to be capable of keeping up regardless of whether or not they’re a good or bad game.
These kinds of stats, in the weeks following release, are what you look for now: Age of Empires 4 tops Steam’s weekly bestsellers | PCGamesN
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I expected that kind of response. But landscape or not, it’s just a fact of life that some game was the 8th best selling game of 2021., and it was not AoE4.
AoE4 may still be a success — to be a success one doesn’t need to be at least the 8th best selling game of 2021. But aoe4 also may not be a success, either. I doubt this forum could ever agree on a definition of the word. But I reckon we can agree that aoe3 was more successful at this stage of its life.
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Of course, I wouldn’t have said it better… in fact I think the Turkish campaign will look like this:
From tribe to sultanate (1071-1190)
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Battle of Manzikert (1071) (Turks vs Bizantines)
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Battle of Myriocephalus (1176) (Turks vs Bizantines)
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Reconquest of Konya (1190) (Turks vs Holy Roman Empire)
From sultanate to empire (1302-1453)
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Battle of Bafea (1302) (Turks vs others Turks and Bizantines)
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Battle of Nicopolis (1396) (Turks vs Holy Roman Empire and Bizantines)
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Battle of Varna (1444) (Turks vs Holy Roman Empire)
From empire to superpower (1453-1526)
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Conquest of Constantinople (1453) (Turks vs Bizantines)
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Battle of Chaldiran (1514) (Turks vs Persians -custom Delhi)
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Battle of Mohács (1526) (Turks vs Hungary)
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Of course, I think exactly the same… although also many people skipped the AoM and went directly to AoE 3, then the jump was so big that they disconnected from the saga, it happened to me but conversely, I played first aoe 3, then in a cyber I played aoe 2 and the jump between one and the other was felt and then I played the aom and there I said “ah, rightly so”…
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Well, AoE4 did came very late in 2021 to be the whole year top seller, but they were #1 for a few weeks after release…
At least from a sales point of view, I have no doubt AoE4 was the most succesfull of the whole series… just look the peak number of players and it’s more than evevy DE version combine.
Even now it has 2x AoE3 playerbase and 3x AoE3 playerbase when they have similar time from release
It really was a huge dissapointment that the game had such a bad release with such huge expectations. Lucky for me I never saw it in that phase
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