New December PUP in the way:

[TungstenBoar]

In non US countries its usually 100 km/h which is nearly the se and much more practical

[ZeroEinna]

In some regions in the United States, time measurements are preferred due to high traffic conditions (Similar to other countries). Freeways in such areas often have signs with updating time estimates to offramps.

[ZeroEinna]

Anyhow back to topic. I am glad the Georgian bug was fixed.

[JeremyLevegood]

Still disappointed nothing much on editor/modding. (but, I understand.) Some interesting changes though for sure.

edit: Oh, correction… There are new things in the editor with triggers. I will update it in my guide. (They always seem to forget to document these things…)

edit: “Create Object Armor”, “Create Object Attack”, and “Modify Attribute By Variable”.

[AlphaCreator727]

Actually miles is use with minutes while kilometers are use with hours
So, about speed it’s pretty much the same if you know the difference between hours and minutes
Imperial suits better a human scale which was the norm pretty much always, the Romans just improved it in a way that the system is still use world wide like in the rails
Metric system is based on a ten scale system which helps a lot when changing scales and suits better the new technologies that are way off the human scale like nanoscience or the digital world

[Hzdrafxx]

Miles is used by dumb people. Kilometres is used by smart ones.

[Quasibrodo]

@SMUM15236

This is how the tech icon looks like. Looks like a painting of Mary just like Faith is based on a painting of John.

Absolutely love that they’re keeping with the stained glass concept for the tech icon, but I have to agree with many who said the yellow circle is a bit much. It doesn’t contrast well with mary’s skin or the white cloth wrapped around her head. It feels like she doesn’t stand out as much as John.

As far as the tech goes, I again have to give praise. It helps in the mid-game when conversion resistance is most helpful, w/o completely shutting down monks, and now devotion+faith cost 100f + 100g less than faith used to cost, which was another contention, that faith cost too much compared to techs that improve monks and their conversion ability. It’s a light touch, there may be more tweaking in the future, which I’m actually ok with. Monks/Monastery have remained mostly unchanged since AoC so I wouldn’t want an overnight overhaul, so I prefer these incremental small changes.

Relatedly, there’s been few changes to monks since 2000. SOTL releases a monastery tech video this summer. Not six months later the devs gotta add a monastery tech.

[SMUM15236]

@Quasibrodo

Little concerned This will make dromons feel weak against high armor targets.

Just as a hypothetical, let’s imagine your opponent makes a group of teutonic knights and you have five onagers. If your five onagers doing 50 melee atk each land a good hit, then that’s 50 dmg (admittedly tapering off from the center) that overwhelms a Fully Upgraded teutonic knight’s 13 MA, so 37 damage is getting through. multiply by 5 and that’s 185 damage at the epicenter. against 100hp teutonic knights, surely the knights were wiped out.

Now I understand aoe2 is a game, not a reality simulator, but a dromon is just an onager on a boat. So we move those same onagers, onto a boat, now it’s a dromon. The expectation is that a dromon should perform similarly compared to an onager, but that is not what will happen.

Five dromons collectively send 25 projectiles, each doing 10 melee atk. the teutonic knights melee armor completely negates the damage of each individual projectile, so they instead take the minimum 1 damage. Even assuming every single projectile is within tapering range of a given knight, that’s 25 damage. You going from lots of dead teutonic knights to at worst some of them are at 75 hp.

Yeah I figured that out immediately. But you went for the most extreme example. All generic battle ships have 0 MA though. So not a big issue. Turtle ship would be the biggest pain though as they have 6 MA, reducing the damage from 44 to only 20. Similarly Portuguese navy and Thirisadai will also be a bit difficult.

@Quasibrodo

So it seems like this re-working of the dromon is only so they could buff armenians, by allowing their extra projectile bonus to apply to dromons, so they had to spread the damage amongst the projectiles so that the bonus, as presently phrased, would actually help.

Seems like so.

@Quasibrodo

It feels like she doesn’t stand out as much as John.

Probably intentional to keep biblical accuracy? 11

@Quasibrodo

Relatedly, there’s been few changes to monks since 2000. SOTL releases a monastery tech video this summer. Not six months later the devs gotta add a monastery tech.

Excellent. Siege Workshop techs next. Oh, wait. There is no tech in Siege Workshop.

[Quasibrodo]

@SMUM15236

Yeah I figured that out immediately. But you went for the most extreme example. All generic battle ships have 0 MA though. So not a big issue. Turtle ship would be the biggest pain though as they have 6 MA, reducing the damage from 44 to only 20. Similarly Portuguese navy and Thirisadai will also be a bit difficult.

You are correct. I did go for the extreme example, though the lower the melee armor, the less noticeable the change.

I will say though, even a cavalier with 2+3 melee armor, would take a maximum of 5 damage per projectile. So even five dromons getting the best possible hit on a cavalier with bloodlines wouldn’t kill it. I’d say that’s a middle of the road example, and still it’s a noticeable difference.

But yes, Teutonic Knights, Boyars, Turtle ships, definitely outliers. Dromons won’t ALWAYS produce and un-intuitive result, but definitely CAN produce and un-intuitive result.

[Quasibrodo]

@SMUM15236

Excellent. Siege Workshop techs next. Oh, wait. There is no tech in Siege Workshop.

SOTL released a university tech video not long after the monastery tech video. FE it’s your move lol.

[SMUM15236]

@Quasibrodo

I will say though, even a cavalier with 2+3 melee armor, would take a maximum of 5 damage per projectile. So even five dromons getting the best possible hit on a cavalier with bloodlines wouldn’t kill it. I’d say that’s a middle of the road example, and still it’s a noticeable difference.

Probably intentionally nerfed them against land units.

@Quasibrodo

SOTL released a university tech video not long after the monastery tech video. FE it’s your move lol.

Oh yeah. I forgot. Stronghold is now a generic tech in 2024. Celts get extra +1/+1 infantry armor as new UT. 11

[NauseantWings09]

zero modding support or fixes, beautiful

[TommoChocolate]

@ZeroEinna

For what it is worth, I have been to England and locals still use Miles regularly for this reason.

I’m from England, and yes, we use miles for long distances, miles per hour for speed limits, and feet and inches for height – but we often use centimetres and metres for other short measurements. We usually use stones and pounds to weigh humans, but grams and kilograms to weigh food; pints for measuring drinks (especially beer), but litres and millilitres for measuring liquids used in cooking; etc. From the outside this probably seems like a mess, but it’s a mess I grew up with and am used to. I’m not going to argue that either system is “better” – I think it depends on context.

@Quasibrodo

Absolutely love that they’re keeping with the stained glass concept for the tech icon

Me too, but it would be nice if the stained glass was in a medieval rather than 19th-century style…

[Hzdrafxx]

@NauseantWings09

zero modding support or fixes, beautiful

Sarcastic

What kind of mod support you are looking for?

[SMUM15236]

@FurtherLime7936

Gates can now be locked before their construction is finished.

I’m 99.99% sure diagonal gates won’t behave accordingly.

@FurtherLime7936

Bonus damage vs. Buildings reduced 135 35.
Bonus damage vs. Castles 0 12.

Big buff against building. Seems unnecessarily making them way stronger than CG.

[TwerDefender]

@DemiserofD

Neat changes. I like splitting faith in two. The old faith was always too all-or-nothing.

The only issue I have with it is that it doesn’t really fix elephants. That said, at least it’s cheap.

I think a big part of this change is that you can now get part of the effect in castle age. previously elephants in castle age are super weak because monks are even stronger in low numbers engagements. I would like to see how this plays out

@Tyranno13

Agree. Not even ironic. This is just bizarre. At least give us a reason why they are keeping them with the wrong buildings when there is massive support for them to be changed.

5 people shouting about it in the forum is not massive support. I think feel they are already on thin ice changing a legacy civ as much as they are

@Mahazona

Is it just me or does that new icon really look out of place with the others icons.

I always have that feeling when new techs are added. Gambesons (and even Arson) looked weird when they were added, but are totally fine now. I think it just takes getting used to. If you want to try an experiment: look at the tech icons for hand cannoneer and bombard cannon, back when they had to be researched and see if they also feel weird

@ZeroEinna

It is 1190 miles between the two cities

how is this any better than 1900 km? If anything km are more convenient: you divide by 100 and you get approximate driving time in hours (since cars happen to go about 100km/h). At this point the vast majority of coutnries and the vast majority of peole use the metric system, so it’s time to join the rest of the world in the 21st century

[Hzdrafxx]

@SMUM15236

99.99% sure diagonal gates won’t behave accordingly.

Why so? Can you please explain?

[Tyranno13]

@TwerDefender

5 people shouting about it in the forum is not massive support. I think feel they are already on thin ice changing a legacy civ as much as they are

More like 117 people wanting it:

A request to the devs: Please switch the Persians to the Central Asian architecture before release of their rework

With the various early-access previews popping up, it’s becoming clear that the Persians are still using the (incorrect) Middle Eastern building set. There has been a lot of fan requests for the Persians to switch to the Central Asian set (one that they themselves invented, and currently only used by the Cumans & Tatars in-game). We had been hoping that the re-work would include this, which is the most-requested thing about the civ itself, even more heavily requested than them getting a rework.…

And for what it’s worth, 7 against.

Also I have seen people requesting it on other mediums.

[thieftdp8498]

@SMUM15236

Bengalis elephant conversation resistance is not changed unlike Teutons and Sicilians bonus. Wonder if it is forgotten or intentional?

I feel like thats fine. since the minimum requirement for wololo is up by 1 that already buffs all units against monks, +1 more on devotion which is now +2 (though need to spend that food/gold which isn’t much).

with bengal that can be upped even more.

I still feel faith is going to be under utilized and still cost a bit too much

[Martinurello]

@FurtherLime7936

Gates can now be locked before their construction is finished.

Finally!!! 20 characters