the Astro-hungarian emperor was also the hungarian king, that is what called Dualism. Meaning 2 separate countries in a personal union. Furthermore, italy didn’t even exist, india was a colony, most natives were dead, china is a semi colony, japan is in the early middle ages, so none of this game makes sense in a historical basis.
“yeah they where, what do you think the austrian empire was?” austrians aren’t germans, they are gepids, just as ###### ## ####### “Hungary de facto seized to be a state afer the battle of Mohacs in 1526” yeah what was the name of part with Buda? " Royal Hungary," which consisted of northern and western territories where Ferdinand I was recognized as king of Hungary. This part is viewed as defining the continuity of the Kingdom of Hungary.
“a more accurate time periode would be 1492-1876 with some extras, we dont see 1880s tech in the game.”
there is literally a tech called “Meiji restoration”.
“good thing italy isnt a faction, italians is, which include venice, milan, the papal-states and savoy. if we really go with this argument ill argue that Venice alone is more important than hungary in the periode.” there was no such thing as Italians, they didn’t count each other as the same nation otherwise they would have united. It’s like saying poles, russians and ukranians must unite and call them slavs. Even though russians nor poles are slavs. as russians are rus, and poles are sarmatas. even today many northern italian dont consider southeners italians and vise versa. “what you are talking about is the austrian crown and people working under the austrian crown” what, his army was literally hungarian hussars, what other people? “Prussia isn’t a faction either” then what are the germans in the game? Since they are clearly a mock HRE which was basically prussia, before Napoleon handed them their asses
are you also going to argue that Wales is an independent state?
that happened in 1868, and its a cultural or political development and not technology, i add other similar stuff to fall under “+”. when we see maxim machine-guns you can argue 1889 or whatever you want.
again, you are viewed the past with your own national understanding, italians was a thing, doesnt mean they viewed themselves as italians with a loyalty to a hypothetical state. people did not have national feelings back then, hungary included.
the game has always been people and not nations, germans are prussia, bavaria, austria and a host of other germans states united by being german, and yes germany and germans was absolutely an understood size, doesn’t mean they united into 1 state.
you are threading dangerous ground atm, just want you to understand that.
and no, it doesn’t. italian is a romance language, so is french, spanish, romanian and portugese, yet they are their own countries.
also just wanna point out but so far we only have russians as a faction of those you mentioned.
you have a weird view of the world.
germans, as in all states consisting of german people, included people and states under the control of german states, in large you can view it as the holy roman empire, which is their flag.
the most prominent state in the holy Roman empire was Austria, there is a reason almost all the emperors where austrian.
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To be fair them and the scots would argue it. Not because they believed it to be true, but because it would trigger the english. 
I don’t think talking down every single other civ in the game to justify having the one you want out of zealous patriotism will earn you much support.
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GIVE ME TEXAS!!! Please🥺
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Give me some famous graveyard as a Halloween civ!
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It is not talking down, mate. These are facts. Japanese were primitive technologically compared to europe, they skyrocketed during the meiji restoration and after ww2. India was a colony up to 1947 from 1500s. China was a semi-colony by definition. Aftrican civilizations mattered little in this age. Natives were all killed or put in reservations. So I don’t see how historical facts is looking down, its also hilarious that ashigarus are better than most muskets even though they were early middle age rifleman with matchlock rifles and had to use aids like ropes to shoot straight.
also that samurai and naginatas are even anything in the game. Samurais countering gatlings like they didn’t hear of one of the most infamous battles of japan called the Battle of Shiroyama where they were killed by Snider-Enfield breechloaders not even machine guns.
And when these powers were actually somewhat advanced compared to europe like the Indian rockets that the congreve rocket the brittish use is based upon, those are forgotten in favor of aztec magic.
Maybe Alexandros’ armour and the fountain of youth are not the only 2 things left over from AoM otherwise nothing else could rationalize these design decisions.
The fact that the tech is finished means that the meiji restoratin took place. Meaning that it is later, than when the restoration ended. If you had any historical knowledge you know that, Meiji restoration started in 1868 and ended in 1889, of the advancements the bought from the west were the and contained the Battle of Shiroyama where the samurai was massacred by Snider-Enfield breechloaders
this is not a world view, Poles are sarmatas, russians are rus, " Modern Russia derives its name from the Kevian Rus’, the ancestors of Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus" thus not slavs, same with Poles, or how Czechs are not slavs but gepids, just as bavarians, austrians.
its the HRE, in which prussia had a leading role. As they had the largest single military up to when napoleon broke up the HRE, turning prussia into a speedbump and then reuniting into the “Deutscher Bund” they failed to create a united german army.
austria and prussia given the 1/3 of the HRE territories each, prussia had the largest army of only germanic people as Austria had a a separate hungarian and austrian army. In the Deutscher Bund, prussia still maintained the leading role compared to other germans, since as I previously said, they failed to establish a common army.
the meiji restoration refers to when the emperor got back in power and the shogunate seized to exist, which was 1864, where is there a requirement it has to involve more than the important part? or the start? why specifically this tech and why specifically your arbitrary timeline? Shiroyama was in 1877 btw, and oh would you look at that we dont have those rifles in game, its almost as if the tech isn’t there. for the games sake the meiji restoration is clearly just meant to represent japan opening up in the 1860s and the restoration of the emperor and not the longer term reforms which had already started under the shoguns rule.
and frankly does it change anything for your argument to change the date to 1889? no, because Hungary wasn’t independent in 1889 either.
if you actually wanted to make a good argument like this then use the boxer rebellion.
as for me i derive 1876 from 2 things:
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the campaign ends in 1876, which already pushed what ensemble had said they wanted the period to be before AOE3s original launch which was “age of discovery until the 1850s”.
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clearly we are missing techs from the 1880s, i already mentioned true machineguns but also warships etc. simply changes a whole lot in those few years, we have early ironclads, gatling guns and a couple very early repeater rifles as the most high tech technology we actually see. uniforms, cards names etc. to me are all just there because they “felt” periodic to the developers.
why does this matter? honestly, you think making some ethno nonesense lingo changes wheter factions appear or not appear in game? factions in game are largely based on national identities and the states they arrived from in the early modern periode. it is a somewhat lose definition by choice. 1 that never the less would struggle to incorporate a part of the Austrian empire as a separate entity.
also cultural barrier here maybe, in the west we generally don’t care about ethno-origins, its interesting academically but no one would ever argue whether Poland is poles or some origin group, to us nationality is cultural not ethnical. im not arguing for or against inclusions based on the darkages, im arguing based upon what they actually did in history and what political entity i can look at for inspiration, and there is nothing in Hungary.
Prussia did not have a leading role in the HRE, it was one of the largest states for sure but there were no prussian emperors in the early modern periode, in fact royal Prussia itself wasn’t actually in the holy roman empire.
and Austria definitely had a larger military than Prussia before the Napoleonic wars.
also spare me your lecture about how i know nothing about history when you come with nonsense like this.
different european powers started setting up tradepost in india in the 1500 and esp. 1600s in india, including but not limited to the french, dutch, british, portugese and danes. it wasn’t untill the mid 1800s that britain managed to gain more or less total control over india. fir a while france was arguably the most important power in india.
Japan adopted and self produced guns in a few years after their introduction, they invented their own tactics around the use of guns, the guns they had during the sengoku jedai where no better or worse than what you would find in europe at the time. it wasn’t really until the 1800s europe truly moved on to better weapons themselves anyhow, guns from 1600 to 1800 in best cases went from 100 meters accuracy to 150 meters and from 20-30 seconds reload to 15-20 seconds reload. there were innovations along the road like the bayonet etc. but its not until the minieball that guns truly changed in capability.
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gatling guns aren’t machineguns
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it’s a game, fundamentally its meant to be fun and balanced, if the game was accurate infantry would have 8 times the range and artillery 20 times the range but also would reload 10 times slower.
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So who is slav? No one?
No, they weren’t, at least before the 19th Century. Both the Ming and Mughals were great powers actually.
And, even Hungary existed, it wasn’t independent, they actually fought several indepedence wars. Maybe you could argue Transilvania was autonomous and kinda on their own, but Hungary proper was under Ottoman and Habsburg rule from th Battle of Mohacs until WW1
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Way to rally everyone behind a Hungarian civ 
I know right this really make me want to add them. In all fairness I would be fine with a Hungarian civ but it would make more sense to make a civ of the Austrian Hungarian empire you could make some cool units for that civ I think. Also that was a major empire during the timeframe so It would make sense to have them.
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No. It’s only myth xDDDDD
I don’t want to respond to the rest of what you wrote, but you are clearly a Hungarian nationalist and it shows, who exaggerates the role of Hungary in those times. You won’t be able to get support for your views here.
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Yeah I agree with Brasil - even as not a fan of post-rev civs, I do appreciate the Federal age-up as something a little different and I think Brasil are prime candidate for that especially as we get a Portuguese speaking civ to join the English and Spanish post-rev civs.
Regarding the Poles and Danes, I would much rather more far-flung civs - such as the many potential Asian civs as the real focus.
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I feel what makes Brazil stand out is that you can realistically identify them having an unique identity even during colonial times, so it’s much easier to design for a colonial Federal age up civilization.
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My picks. Ordered by preference.
- The Middle Eastern Empires: Persians & Omanis.
- The Destined Rivals: Burmese & Siamese.
- The Northern Wars: Danes & Polish-Lithuanians.
- The African Royals II: Kongolese & Zimbabweans.
- The South American Powers: Brazilians & Mapuches.
- The Hermit Kingdoms: Koreans & Vietnamese.
If we really need Moroccans, it may be a single DLC, or be with The Middle Eastern Empires or The African Royals II. However I don’t think we can likely get it. It may quite overlaps the Berber minor civ and the Barbary states.
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yeah, say that anywhere else on the world that is not america or europe and you will end up stabbed, try calling a persian arab.
except that it wasn’t an austrian military, also it was defeated by the hungarian resistance consiting of the hungarian army and civilians, they needed the help of the russians to survive it. If they had a “real” army they wouldn’t need to go crying to the russians.
matchlock muskets, not rifles, not even wheel or flint locks. Wheellock was in 1490, flintlock was in 1500, they were behind hundreds of years.
" Gatling gun , hand-driven machine gun, the first to solve the problems of loading, reliability, and the firing of [sustained] bursts. It was invented about 1862 by [Richard Jordan Gatling] during the [American Civil War]" Britannica.
The 7th Royal Bavarian Chevau-légers (Königlich Bayerisches Chevaulegers-Regiment „Prinz Alfons“ Nr. 7) were a light cavalry regiment of the [Royal Bavarian Army] The regiment was formed in 1905 and fought in [World War I]
The regiment was disbanded in 1919.
So Czechs aren’t slavs, but Slovaks are? What?
What next, Swedes are Scandinavians but Norwegians not?
What is a slav then? Tell us
Said by the one who claimed India and China were European colonies for 400 years
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a machinegun is an automatic weapon, meaning the weapon is selfloading and firing, a gatlinggun does not fit this definition since it is manually operated, its a rapid fire weapon for sure similar to mitrailleuse but it is not a true machinegun which as said is automatic.
why would i call them arab?
hungary still wasn’t independent. what you are describing is a revolution, which is already represented in game.
rifles where invented in the 1600s and it wasn’t widespread before much later, early rifles had issues like lower rate of fire which is bad in an era where even well drilled smooth-bore musketeers, by far the largest part of the army, could at best expect 4 shots a minute, with 3 and sometimes even 2 being more normal. the Minieball was the first time rifles became standard issue in weapons.
matchlocks where used in the 30 years war, just because something is invented doesn’t mean it gets adopted or is inherently a better system from the get go. the first military repeating rifles are from the 1660s yet somehow they didn’t take hold, mainly because the system was simply too far ahead of its time and that their use didn’t actually notably change the outcome of the wars they where used in. the Japanese largely started from copying portugese designs which were matchlocks, which should tell you that perhaps not everyone in europe ran around with the newest tech.
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