Oh boy Aussie_Drongo made a video about this forum and you guys

Revolutions definitely do need a rework.
I mean you can turn into the USA in a game that also has the USA as an independent civilisations.
I think political revolutions like the French Revolutions or the Revolutions of 1848 could work very well.
Rename Germany into HRE and make Germany a Revolution.

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I kinda like when he adds a new strat, as usually as soon as a video of him comes out people tend to try it online, becoming quite predictable, and if you watch him yourself it allows you to know what to scout for and what to expect, making it easy to plan a counter build.

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I propose getting rid of Revolutions entirely, and replacing it with a better system, that gives the player more options, not less, for a price.

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Imagine USA fighting against USA, where have I seen that before in 19th century.

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congrats on being part of the problem

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Thanks! I’m glad to meet people who appreciate my work! <3

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That’s for sure.


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He is not wrong. The majority of the AoE playerbase are History buffs and enthusiasts, and we dislike the addition of the USA to game that not only starts in the 1500s, but also already had a Revolution system PRECISELY to include this kind of civs.

Then the devs went even further and gave the USA an almost fully unique roster, when most Euro civs have between 1 and 3 unique units, not to mention an almost fully Steam powered Navy roster, while Euros have Caravels and Galleons.

It stinks of American Exceptionalism, and makes people dislike the whole affair.

There were far better choices of ACTUAL civilizations to add into the game, as the USA was not even a people group, and had no unified and unique culture during this period (Nation of Immigrants).

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Yeah and “claiming victory because others get downvoted”, “asking why people are not downvoting others” and “accusing others to have bullied him because he got downvoted” are TRUELY NOT WRONG.

And definitely justifies someone’s point that reddit is toxic because of downvoting.

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BTW, Japan has super musketeers that outmatch every single European unit (which are imported from Portugal) and superhuman samurais, they even have their own entire set of consulate units, so TAD is definitely made by weebs.

Every native and Asian civ has full unique rosters so that’s Native American and Asian exceptionalism.

And I can see the same group of people’s arguments if US is an European civ with 1 unique building and 2 unique units: LOW EFFORT CASH GRAB!

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Talking about timeline or “historical inaccuracy” everyday. But choose to blind on multiple mistakes from beginning when the game was release since 2005. I never saw people complain about “Something out of place or timeline” down below before United States release,really triggered me to writing the post. So stop complain,don’t acting like you really care about “historical accuracy”,alright? Obviously mistakes from beginning with out be complained: Storyline battle “Act 5:Shadow”,already reached to 1870s especially General George Armstrong Custer’s showed up and Battle of the Little Bighorn. Without above,Lakota won’t have cavalry with rifles and infantry equip with modern rifles. How about “out law” units? Why the hell no one ever complain about revolver and Winchester Model 1894 rifle appears in 1600s-1700s,especially “cowboy” and “Wild West”??? https://ageofempires.fandom.com/wiki/Comanchero https://ageofempires.fandom.com/wiki/Pistolero https://ageofempires.fandom.com/wiki/Renegado Are you gonna tell me “Industrial Age” is not “post colonial age” which is 19th centuries? The model of 4-4-0 locomotive is super advanced enough! Is this looks like production of 18th centuries??? Why the hell no one complain with anger and said: “what the ■■■■ Aztec is doing with model 4-4-0?!” You have chance to “revolt” to Latin America nations,theses nations include United States were revolt to their motherland during 1770s and before 1850s,why the hell no one question Gatling gun and Ironclad shouldn’t show up AGAIN??? Last absurd as I remember from beginning is Ottoman Empire. No one ever question a civilization that never colonial America New World as playable civilization is the most ridiculous situation. I bet Ensemble Studios never consider a villain for Saint Knight scenario will force them expansion Africa maps and civilizations,otherwise no one can explain and justify the reason they showed up. You have multiple situations like modern California map after Mexican War in the game ,weapons and units etc in 19th centuries,are you still want to tell me United States is “out of timeline and place”??? But I finally still agree European civilizations should look like more advanced as late of 19th centuries “Industrial Age standard” and upgrade the equipment as United States,so they will no longer looks like “WEIRD”.

I am Lakota, yes.

I hate the tribal marketplace. It’s a woke bandaid that does nothing for the representation of my people, nor our beliefs. I’d rather have it be a building like the Japanese Shrine that you build on a mine and generate XP from passively, or maybe some gold.

Personally, I think gold generation with the Lakota and Hauds should have something similar to that of the old AoM Markets and the caravan units. It’d make far more sense, and when used with allies it’d come across as generating gold via trade, since we wouldn’t be mining it.

@SoullessHeathen
It’s not an accurate system at all. The whole purpose is for pro-play level balance - the Lakota and Hauds must have some sort of interaction with the mines to prevent them from being more powerful than other civs in the early game especially. Some interaction must exist.
Personally, I like the idea of using the tribal marketplace as a gather point that Villagers walk to an allied structure and then back again to generate coin, acting as a sort of trade route. The engine should be capable of doing this - it’s the same engine that was used to build AoM, just upgraded.

Another buff I want for the Lakota is to have the Warrior Culture card be available either sooner or as a Market upgrade available after Spirit Medicine, for a large amount of food. That upgrade would be super helpful in the mid game for the Lakota.

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To be fair, people do ask such questions about the original game.
But some of them either (1) circumvent them by saying “yes they are inaccurate but not as inaccurate as the US” OR (2) go all the way to make up zigzag stories and whatifs to justify these inaccuracies like “Oh maybe the devs were assuming Ottomans also sent explorers to the Americas in a parallel universe back in 2006 because they were a large empire so they could do that, as well as all the European-based mercenaries and Japanese Ronins because what if someone also sent them to the Americas”.

Give them another 10 years and they’ll have the time and mental effort to develop similar theories and object new additions to AOE3:DE:DE.

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I do miss trading from AoM, it was a really nice mechanic. They could have the villagers act like trade caravans from that game, moving between the Tribal Marketplace and a friendly town center (including your own) and generating “coin” based on the length of the trip. They can even use the animations from the Barter Merchant to show which villagers are carrying “coin” back to the Marketplace.

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I’m sorry, but where did you receive your history lesson? The USA was definitely it’s own people group during their war with Great Britain and after killing many English soldiers along the way. You might be right about culture, but it’s common for many real world civilisations to borrow cultures from others, that however doesn’t make them any less civilized or insignificant.

Your comment would be the same as complaining how the Romans shouldn’t exist in Age of Empires I because they’re just an amalgamation of the Etruscans and Greeks civilizations.

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I didn’t play Lakota from the original edition, how are they now different in DE? They said they consulted with the real Lakota community, can you expand more on how woke is the tribal marketplace?

Still does not address wether my point is correct or not. This is a technical non-answer, that only seeks to imply the community, or myself, are biased, because we only listen to our own viewpoints on repeat.

That is not a good defence for USA being in the game, specially the way they are.

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Why allow for discussion of crap opinions?

‘Echo chambers’ aka peace and unity

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I don’t remember that in AoM haha

I know from RoN, RoL however