What do you mean by this?
Chinese get very good early bonuses
Economic yes, but it doesnt really help for dark age aggression
I hope that the idea of adding Old Prussians and their campaign will be analyzed by Developers. Of course, the implementation would take place in a few years, because now it’s time for DLC’s with factions from other continents. A nice idea someday would be to release Dlc containing Old Prussians, Sorbs (forgotten Western Slavs) and the third euro faction for example the Principality of Moldova. I want to see also Balkan Dlc , Wallachia and rework of Slavs to Rus. Also german speaking factions and nordic factions would be a nice potential future euro Dlc’s.
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Much more interesting would be Silesians. The Sorbs are famous only for preserving their culture. But they had no outstanding rulers or battles. On the other hand, the Silesians could cover the Sorbs, especially since Lusatia was a small region next to the much larger Silesia.
- The Silesians civ could have the Campaign of Henry the Pious who faced the Mongol hordes. Unfortunately, he died during the Battle of Legnica. The Mongols cut off his head and impaled him on a stake - they paraded him like that the whole way back. Despite everything, he managed to stop them. Furthermore, he fought against Brandenburg and the Poles.
- Silesians civ could have Raubritter as their UU. A foot knight with the ability to attack from a distance using a crossbow. This ability would be time-limited. For example, one minute until cooldown.
- Silesians civ could focus on Mining and Defense.
- They could have a unique Deep Mine building that could be built directly on a Gold or Stone deposit and slightly increase the resource but extend the mining time. To act, it would be necessary to garrison the Villagers in this building.
- UT could have references to Blacksmithing and Ostensiedlung.
- Units could speak in two languages: Silesian (Slavic language) and Schle sisch (German language).
- Team bonus could be access to building Deep Mine.
- Wonder could be Wrocław City Hall. A model for a Castle could be Cieszyn Castle.
In my opinion, Sorbs with its own language and independence for some time would be a better proposition than Silesians, which has always been a dependent province linked to a given country. As for Sorbs, there would be leaders, military units and everything needed to create a civilization. I have some materials myself. Someday, maybe I will create a concept for this civilization like for Old Prussians before. By the way, the fate of both nations turned out to be similar because they were ultimately defeated.
Slavic revolt of 983 - Wikipedia This could be historical background in Sorbs campaign. Sorbs, Old Prussians, Moldavians are a really interesting and original idea for a Dlc in my opinion.
The Sorbian marches in the southern part of the Elbe land, which were also inhabited by the Polabian Slavs - the Sorbians, did not take part in the uprising.
People have often talked about the Romanians civ as part of the Balkans DLC along with the Croatians and Serbs civs. Romanians are Vlachs, Transylvanians and also Moldavians.
History of Lusatia
In the second half of the 9th century, the Lusitanians recognized the suzerainty of Great Moravia, to which they were subject until its fall in 907. In the years 870–890, the construction of defensive strongholds began due to the growing threat from the East Frankish state. The expansion of these strongholds intensified after 920,
when the East Franconian king Henry I the Bird began to conquer the seats of the western neighbors of the Lusatians - the Glomites. After subjugating them in 932, he made the first major expedition to the lands of the Lusitanians. Saxon attacks intensified in the mid-10th century, and finally in 963 the Sorbs were subjugated to the German kingdom by Geron,
Margrave of the Eastern March.
As a result of the Polish-German wars in the years 1002–1018, Lusatia temporarily found itself within the borders of Poland. The Germans conquered the Lusitanian lands again after 1031 (4th Polish-German War); after that date, they consolidated their rule and, over the following centuries, Germanized most of the Lusatian population.
In the period from 1076 to 1253 Upper Lusatia belonged to Bohemia, after which the entire region fell to Brandenburg. During the times of Kings John and Charles IV of the Luxembourg dynasty, it was permanently integrated with the Crown of the Kingdom of Bohemia (Upper in 1319 and 1329, Lower in 1368).
Piast princes from the Świdnica line briefly took over the rule in Upper Lusatia (Henry I of Jawor in 1319–1346) and Lower Lusatia (Bolko II of Świdnica in 1364–1368). In 1415, the Luxembourgs lost control over Brandenburg and part of Lower Lusatia, including Cottbus.
The rest of Lusatia remained under the Bohemian Crown until 1635, when it came under Saxon rule as part of the Peace of Prague. During this period (from the 1470s) the term Upper Lusatia began to be used for the lands of Bautzen and Zgorzelec, although the Duchy of Zgorzelec existed for a short time at the end of the 14th century,
created by Charles IV for John’s youngest son.
To sum up, it was a micro region that often changed its superiors until it became part of the Crown of Bohemia. Lusatia is not interesting enough to become a civ. Bohemians civ covers them very well. I just hope that you weren’t thinking about combining the Lusatian culture (archaeological culture) with the Sorbs.
History of Silesia
During the 1st century BC Silingi and other Germanic people settled in Silesia. According to Tacitus, the 1st century AD Silesia was inhabited by a multi-ethnic league dominated by the Lugii. The Silingi were also part of this federation, and most likely a Vandalic people (Germanic) that lived south of the Baltic Sea in the Laba, later Elbe, Oder and Vistula river areas. Other East Germanic tribes also inhabited the region. For this period we have written reports of antique authors who included the area.
Slavs arrived in this territory around the 6th century. The Sleenzane (Slenzans; Ślężanie) lived in lands near modern Wrocław and along the Ślęza river, as well as near mount Ślęża. They probably numbered 60–75,000 people and according to the Bavarian Geographer, they were divided into 15 civitates. The Opolini (Opolans; Opolanie) lived in lands near modern Opole, their population was perhaps 30–40,000 and comprised 20 civitates. The Dadodesani or Dedosize (Dyadosans; Dziadoszanie) lived in areas near modern Głogów, numbered probably 30,000 people, as well as 20 civitates. The Golensizi (Golensizians; Golęszyce) dwelled near modern Racibórz, Cieszyn and Opawa - they consisted of five civitates. The Lupiglaa (Głubczyce) probably lived on the Głubczyce Plateau, near Głubczyce, and comprised 30 civitates. The Trebouane (Tryebovians; Trzebowianie), mentioned by the Prague Document (which describes the situation as of year 973 or earlier), occupied areas near modern Legnica and could number some 25–30,000 individuals. The Poborane (Bobrans; Bobrzanie) - mentioned by the same document - lived along the lower and middle course of the Bóbr river. The Psyovians (Psouane; Pszowianie) lived near Pszów, to the east of the Opolans and to the west of Kraków. At the turn of the 10th and 11th centuries (c. AD 1000), the total population of Silesia is estimated as around 250,000 people.
The first known states in Silesia were those of Greater Moravia and Bohemia. In the 9th century, parts of Silesia’s territory came under the influence of Great Moravia, the first historically attested state in the region. After Great Moravia’s decline one of its successors, Bohemia, gradually conquered Silesia. At the beginning of the 10th century Vratislaus I subdued the Golensize and soon afterwards seized Middle Silesia. Wrocław was possibly founded by and named after him. His son Boleslaus I subdued the Boborane between 950 and 965 and later also the Opolane and Dedosize. The town of Bolesławiec bears his name. The Bohemian rulers also tried to evangelize the region and opened up Silesia for international trade. In 973, when he travelled from Prague to Kraków, explorer/historian Abraham ben Jacob crossed Southern Silesia on a road which later became one of the major East/West trading routes.
In the 10th century, Mieszko I incorporated Silesia into Civitas Schinesghe, a Polish state. At the end of the 9th century Silesia came within the sphere of influence of two neighbours, the Holy Roman Empire and Poland. In 971, in order to proselytise Silesia to Christianity, Holy Roman emperor Otto I donated the tithe of the Dziadoszyce area to the Diocese of Meissen, and in 996 Otto III defined the Oder up to the spring as the border of the Margraviate of Meissen. This was without practical consequences as the expanding Polish state of Mieszko I conquered Silesia at the same time. The Dziadoszyce area was already incorporated c. 970. In 990 in the Polish-Bohemian War Mieszko annexed Middle Silesia and its main township Niemcza with the help of the Holy Roman Empire, which supported Poland in order to weaken Bohemia. Mieszko’s successor, Bolesław I established an independent Polish ecclesiastical province in 1000 (see: Congress of Gniezno) the bishopric of Wrocław, subordinate to the archbishopric of Gniezno. After the death of Bolesław I in 1025 his oldest son Mieszko II was crowned king of Poland. Due to a foreign invasion in 1031 Mieszko went into exile. The military defeat of the young state led to a pagan revolt in 1031–1032. It endangered the newly established Christian church also in Si##### where it ousted the bishop of Wrocław. However, Mieszko regained power in 1032 and restored order. He died in 1034, succeeded by his oldest son Casimir the Restorer. In 1037 a nobles’ revolt took place and Casimir fled. This was exploited by a Bohemian Duke, Bretislaus I, who, after pillaging Greater Poland, took control of Silesia in 1038. From then on, Poland gradually lost influence in Silesia.
It remained part of Poland until the Fragmentation of Poland. Afterwards it was divided between Piast dukes, descendants of Władysław II the Exile, High Duke of Poland. In 1146, High Duke Władysław II was driven into exile to Germany by his brothers, who opposed his attempts to strengthen control of High Duke over the remaining dukes. Silesia then became a possession of the new High Duke, Bolesław IV the Curly. Meanwhile, Władysław unsuccessfully tried to persuade Holy Roman Emperors Conrad III and his successor Frederick Barbarossa to aid him in retaking his duchy. In 1163, his three sons (Konrad, Mieszko and Bolesław) took possession of Silesia with Imperial backing and probably ruled it together until 1172, before dividing the territory. Bolesław received the area of Wrocław, Opole and Legnica, Konrad Żagań, Głogów and Krosno and Mieszko the smallest part with Ratibor and Cieszyn. As Konrad prepared himself in Fulda for a clerical career, ### ####### ######## administered his possessions until Konrad’s early death, when Bolesław incorporated Konrad’s domain into his duchy. Mieszko at the same time expanded his own duchy with parts of the Duchy of Kraków around Bytom and Oświęcim, which were given to him by Casimir II in 1178, and Opole, which he received after Bolesław’s death. In 1202 Bolesław’s son, Henry I, and Mieszko moreover specified to rule out the right of succession among their branches, an arrangement which was largely responsible for the special position of what would become Upper Silesia. In the same year Poland abolished the seniorate and Silesia’s duchies became independent under constitutional law.
In the Middle Ages, Silesia was divided among many independent duchies ruled by various dukes of the Piast dynasty. During this time, cultural and ethnic German influence increased due to immigrants from the German-speaking components of the Holy Roman Empire, as the region’s economy developed, and towns were founded under German town law. In the first half of the 13th century Silesian duke Henry I the Bearded, conquer much of the divided polish lands. His expeditions led him as far north as the Duchy of Pomerania, where for a short time he held some of its southern areas. He became the duke of Kraków (Polonia Minor) in 1232, which gave him the title of senior duke of Poland (see Testament of Bolesław III Krzywousty), and came into possession of most of Greater Poland in 1234. Henry failed in his attempt to achieve the Polish crown. His activity in this field was continued by his son and successor Henry II the Pious, until his sudden death in 1241 (Battle of Legnica). His successors were not able to maintain their holdings outside of Silesia, which were lost to other Piast dukes. Polish historians refer to territories acquired by Silesian dukes in this period as Monarchia Henryków śląskich (“The monarchy of the Silesian Henries”). In those days Wrocław was the political center of the divided Kingdom of Poland.
In 1241, after raiding Lesser Poland, the Mongols invaded Silesia and caused widespread panic and mass flight. They looted much of the region, but abandoned their siege of the castle of Wrocław, supposedly after being fended off by Blessed Czeslaw’s “miraculous fireball.” They then defeated the combined Polish and German forces under Henry II at the Battle of Legnica, which took place at Legnickie Pole near Legnica. Upon the death of Ögedei Khan, the Mongols chose not to press forward further into Europe, but returned east to participate in the election of a new Grand Khan.
Walloons belonged to the first settlers from western Europe in Silesia, working in various fields and places in the middle and late 12th century. Noticeable were weavers in Wrocław and Oława, peasants near Wrocław, Oława and Namysłów and Augustinian monks from Arrouaisse in Sobótka. The German Ostsiedlung was started at the same time by the ruling Piasts in order to develop their realms and to increase their power. Silesia then was sparsely populated with approximately 150,000 people. Settlements consisted of small hamlets, each inhabited by only a few peasants. Castellanies with small suburbias around them were centers of administration, commerce and crafts. In 1155 probably 20 castellanies existed across Silesia. Some marketplaces existed without an accompanying castle, like Środa Śląska or Sobótka. These settlements were already noticeable towns in an economic sense, while most of the larger ones were a ruler’s residence. Contemporary sources record 8 markets in Silesia, but the real number was probably much higher. The castellanies with their fortified churches were the center of the church organization, while the network of churches was very coarsely meshed and multiple villages belonged to single parishes. The Ostsiedlung probably started with the arrival of German monks in the entourage of Bolesław I, who spent part of his life in Thuringia, when he returned from exile in the Holy Roman Empire. These Cistercian monks from the Saxon abbey of Pforta were brought into the country by the duke to establish Lubiąż Abbey. Towns were chartered with the codified German town law, most of the time either Magdeburg law or local Silesian variants like Środa Śląska/Neumarkt law. After slow beginnings in the late 12th century the German Ostsiedlung fully started in the early 13th century, initiated and supported by duke Henry I, the first Slavic ruler outside of the Holy Roman Empire to invite German settlers on a wider base. While the German settlement in Lower and Middle Silesia steadily progressed, it advanced much slower in Upper Silesia. Before 1241 settlements cam because of outside pressure from Moravia, which invited German settlers after 1220. At the end of the 13th century all regions in Silesia except for some small outer zones in the east were affected by colonization. Because of migration Silesia’s population density, the forms of settlement and the population changed dramatically. Large, well-planned villages became the norm. A network of almost 130 towns covered the country almost evenly, with a distance from town to town of approximately 18 km (11 mi) . The Weichbild constitution replaced the old Slavic castellany constitution. Every village built its own church (at the end of the 13th century numbering 1,200) the network of parishes also became much more dense, and the diocese was split into the archdeaconries of Breslau, Glogau, Opole and Liegnitz. There are different estimates of the population of Silesia in the 14th century. They vary from approximately 500,000 people, to over 1,000,000 in 1400 and 1,200,000 in 1500.
After the death of Henry II the Pious his realm was divided between various Piast dukes. In the second half of the 13th century, Henry II’s grandson, Henryk IV Probus of Silesia, made an attempt to gain the Polish crown, but he died in 1290 before realizing his goal. Duke Przemysł II of Greater Poland united two of the original provinces and was crowned in 1295, but was murdered in 1296. According to his will, Greater Poland was to be inherited by Duke Henryk III głogowski, (a Silesian duke of Głogów) who also aspired to unite Poland and even claimed the title Duke of Poland. However, most nobles supported another candidate from the Kuyavian line of Piasts, Duke Władysław I the Elbow-high. Władysław eventually won the struggle because of his broader support. In the meantime, King Wenceslaus II of Bohemia decided to extend his rule and was crowned as King of Poland in 1300. The next half-century was rife with wars between Władysław (later his son Casimir III the Great) and a coalition of Bohemians, Brandenburgers and Teutonic Knights trying to divide Poland. During this time, all Silesian dukes accepted Władysław’s claims for sovereignty over other Piasts. After acquiring papal consent for his coronation, all nine dukes of Silesia declared twice (in 1319 before and in 1320 after the coronation) that their realms lay inside the borders of the Polish Kingdom.
In the (vain) hope to prevent an inheritance dispute, the Piast prince Bolesław III Wrymouth by his last will and testament had divided Poland into hereditary provinces distributed among his four sons: Masovia, Kujawy, Greater Poland and Silesia. Beside which, the Seniorate Province (Lesser Poland) with the residence of Kraków was reserved for the eldest, who according to the principle of agnatic seniority was to be High Duke of all Poland. This act inadvertently started the process known as Fragmentation of Poland. Bolesław’s son Władysław II received the Duchy of Silesia and, as the eldest, was also granted the title of a High Duke among with the Seniorate Province. Nevertheless, after he had tried to gain control over all Poland, he was banned and expelled by his younger half-brothers in 1146. Bolesław’s second eldest ### ######## IV the Curly, Duke of Masovia, became Polish High Duke. When, in 1163, Władysław’s three sons, backed by Emperor Frederick I Barbarossa returned to Poland, Bolesław IV had to restore their heritage. After ten years of joint rule, Władysław’s sons finally divided Silesia in 1173:
- Bolesław I the Tall, the eldest, received the core territory around the residences of Wrocław, Legnica and Opole. In 1180, he granted the Duchy of Opole to his son Jarosław, who ruled until his death in March 1201. Upon Bolesław’s death in December 1201, his lands were inherited by his only remaining son Henry I the Bearded.
- Mieszko I Tanglefoot became Duke of Racibórz and received Bytom and Oświęcim in 1177.
- Konrad Spindleshanks (Konrad Laskonogi), the youngest, in 1177 also claimed his rights and received the Duchy of Głogów from ### ####### ######### who after Konrad’s death about 1180/90 again inherited it.
After ### ####### ######## I had died, Mieszko I Tanglefoot also conquered and took the Duchy of Opole from his nephew Henry I the Bearded. He ruled over the Racibórz and Opole duchies, which emerged as Upper Silesia, until his death in 1211. Henry I the Bearded remained sovereign of the Lower Silesian Duchy of Wrocław, he acquired the Greater Polish lands of Kalisz in 1206, which he granted to his Piast cousin Władysław Odonic, as well as Lubusz Land in 1210. High Duke of Poland from 1232, he conquered further Greater Polish territories around Santok in 1234. Mieszko’s heir was Duke Casimir I of Opole, who died in 1230. Thereupon, Henry I managed to reunite whole Silesia under his reign. He was succeeded by his son Henry II the Pious in 1238, while Upper Silesia was inherited by Casimir’s son Mieszko II the Fat in 1239. He and his younger brother, Władysław Opolski, had already received Greater Polish Kalisz in 1234. Henry II was killed at the Battle of Legnica in 1241. His eldest son and heir, Duke Bolesław II the Bald temporarily gave Lubusz Land to his younger brother Mieszko († 1242). He reconciled with his Greater Polish cousin Duke Przemysł I and finally returned Santok in 1247 and remained sole ruler of Lower Silesia until 1248. Mieszko II the Fat, of Upper Silesia, in 1244, returned Kalisz to Duke Przemysł I of Greater Poland. He died in 1246 and his possessions were inherited by his brother Władysław Opolski.
In 1327, King John I of Bohemia began accepting the fealty of the Silesian dukes as part of his claim on the Polish crown. At the Treaty of Trentschin on 24 August 1335 it was agreed that John would abandon his claim and in return receive the suzerainty of the Silesian duchies and a one-time payment (20,000 threescores of Prague groschen). This was finalized at the Congress of Visegrád in the same year, although some Piast-ruled duchies remained outside of Bohemian suzerainty until 1392.
Under the Bohemian crown, the duchies continued to be ruled by branches of the Piast dynasty known as the Silesian Piasts until their last lineage died out in 1675. When a ducal lineage died out, the duchy passed to the crown and became a state country.
The Bohemian Crown passed to the House of Habsburg in 1526. In 1742, most of Silesia was annexed by Prussia following the First Silesian War. This was confirmed following the Second Silesian War in 1745 and the Third Silesian War in 1763. Following the dissolution of the Holy Roman Empire, Bohemian Silesia remained a part of the Austrian Empire and Austro-Hungarian Empire down to its dissolution in 1918.
It seems forced to me. The unit for the Sorbs would probably be simply Old Slavic, which would make it fit into almost any other Slavic civ. The Sorbs never had a real state, only loose tribal confederations. They did not have great powers or epic moments in their history. They were never a power - even a local one. It has always been a backwater area.
This is the total opposite of the Silesians, who had their own independent principalities that developed independently of each other - new cities, villages, castles and industrial areas were created. Mining, agriculture and other industries developed in Silesia. They had a dramatic but epic moment in their history when Henry the Pious faced the Mongol hordes. It is much easier and more fruitful to create the concept of civ from medieval Silesia than from the Lusitania.
I noticed that you have a need to add European tribal peoples to the game. Instead of the Sorbs, I would suggest adding Pomeranians, who, like the Silesians, could be a universal civ representing both the Slavic and German inhabitants of these lands. Pomeranians (specifically Kashubians) are the last representatives of the Polabian Slavs.
As for the Prusakai (not to be confused with the Prussians), remember that they were not the only Balts in Prussia, there were also Yotvingians, Galindians, Bartians and others. Additionally, someone might say, what about the Latvians? I think that in this case such a civ could be called the Balts civ. We would then have both powerful Lithuanians who created statehood and representation of the remaining Baltic peoples.
Hmmm this is Your opinion okay then. Let’s talk about Old Prussians…What are thinking about possibility to add this faction someday?
I would personally like to see them added but its very unlikely.There are other civis that would get priority if more european civis are added.
If Developers still would be support this game for many Years i think that there’s a chance. We will see what happens.
I think you’re giving your design a little too much credence. Ive been there.
All the previous dlc civis showed up in campaigns in some form.Prussians are also in a campaign if I remember so never say never.
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