Old Prussians Civ Concept

[HelpfulGosling3]

Similar roots. But also were reasons which made this country independent not like Transylvania. Moldova - Wikipedia

[HelpfulGosling3]

As for the Old Prussians, it seems to me that the general concept illustrates this faction well, in relation to what I read in the book about this tribe. Their army was not as backward as many people believe. Because in addition to hand-to-hand infantry, archers, javelin throwers and slingers, they had cavalry, crossbowmen and siege engines, they were able to win some battles with the Teutonic Knights or repel the expeditions of Polish princes. In addition to defensive settlements, they also built wooden blockades and fences in the field - they helped in arranging ambushes on arriving enemy troops.They traded mainly in leather, amber and honey. According to researchers, they were on the threshold of reforms that would unify their system of government, which could accelerate the development of this tribe into an efficient nation on the Baltic Sea.

[MatM1996]

@OceanEcho

However, if the game lives for another 5-10 years and everything else has already been done, it will be possible to work on this nation as part of DLC about the North, for example, together with Swedes and Danes.

@RealMatrim2

The Balts have only the Lithuanians so far. Adding Old Prussians would therefore not be a bad idea.

Yes, I also think that a Nordic DLC could work (from the Vikings you add the Danes representing the Kalmar Union in the 14th and 15th centuries and the Swedes representing the birth of the House of Vasa in the 16th century connecting with the Swedes of AoE 3)…and finally you add the Baltics fighting the Teutonic Order in the 12th century…

@Apocalypso4826

Funnily enough, even if there were a modern-day Age of Empires game centered mainly around WW2 until the recent past, the name would still work, because the British Empire and Japanese Empire were legit empires, and Germany was basically an empire as well. One could also make an argument that American hegemony was or is a de facto empire. That’s four base factions involved in WW2 that were either empires at that time or became one. There’s also the Soviet Union, which was a continuation of the Russian Empire, and fascist Italy was also considered to be an empire by Mussolini.

@Apocalypso4826

True, but the rest of the game can be centered around other nations that directly fought or interacted with those nations, essentially making the game’s theme revolve around the actual empires that are included in the base. WW2 would be the main source of conflict for base game civs, campaigns, and units, but other stuff like the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the Gulf War, and the War on Terror would be included simply to round out the roster. Still, though, those things are largely centered around America’s involvement, and since it’s one of the main base civs, the rule of trying to center the base content around those five nations still applies.

Yeah, that’s why I feel like an AoE in the 20th century could still work…the last European colonies were becoming independent in the 1970s and the last colonial enclaves in Asia, like Hong Kong and Macau were given to China in the 1990s…then you have France’s overseas territories like French Guiana and French Polynesia that are still part of France…

@Mahazona

I would personally like to see them added but its very unlikely.There are other civis that would get priority if more european civis are added.

Like the Balkans or Northern Europe or even dividing Spain into the Basques, Castile and Aragon…

@Mahazona

All the previous dlc civis showed up in campaigns in some form.Prussians are also in a campaign if I remember so never say never.

Yes, in VaV in Ragnar in the east of the map and in Mstislav in the west of the map…

[HelpfulGosling3]

I suggest to renamed ,Teutons" to ,German Empire" and add new faction (maybe with Dlc with Old Prussians) - Teutonic Order with own campaign, units , bonuses , buildings and wonder. This Dlc could contain new campaign for faction without this area for example Magyars or Vikings ( Reworked to Danes for example . Norwegians and Swedes could be added later ). What do You think about that idea?

[HelpfulGosling3]

As potential story for Teutonic Order’s campaign could be -Lithuanian Crusade - Wikipedia

[HelpfulGosling3]

Cinematic movie about potential hero of Old Prussians Campaign - Herkus Monte

Northern Crusades (1972) ⭐ 8.3 | Drama, History

[Mahazona]

@HelpfulGosling3

I suggest to renamed ,Teutons" to ,German Empire" and add new faction (maybe with Dlc with Old Prussians) - Teutonic Order with own campaign, units , bonuses , buildings and wonder.

Teutonic order and German empire are both political entities,aoe2 does not have political entities as civilizations.

[HelpfulGosling3]

What about italian faction in game for example?

[Mahazona]

Italians ingame are all the italian city states of northern italy.If we had genoa venice milan as different civilizations ingame then you can have something like the teutonic order.

[HelpfulGosling3]

There’s something to it. As for the Teutonic Order, they became very independent as a strongly managed, militarized and separated state from the rest of the Germans. They were talented diplomats and politicians. They were able to seek support from the Pope and other Germans in terms of money and soldiers, but they decided about themselves. In the game they would have their own units, bonuses, buildings, hero and campaigns, wonder and so on. They have a lot of potential here. They would generally be a faction of great soldiers and builders (especially castles). While in the proposed Old Prussians campaign the player would fight against the Teutonic Knights with some success, still being unable to save the nation, the Teutonic Knights would have a different path. Their campaign would begin with defeating the Old Prussians as the first stage. Further missions would involve fighting against the Lithuanians and Poles. The finale would be shortly before the defeat of the Teutonic Knights at Grunwald, which would be described in the campaign’s epilogue animation.

[MatM1996]

@HelpfulGosling3

I suggest to renamed ,Teutons" to ,German Empire" and add new faction (maybe with Dlc with Old Prussians) - Teutonic Order with own campaign, units , bonuses , buildings and wonder. This Dlc could contain new campaign for faction without this area for example Magyars or Vikings ( Reworked to Danes for example . Norwegians and Swedes could be added later ). What do You think about that idea?

Yes, two DLCs of Northern Europe, I would change the name of the Teutons to Germans and the Vikings to Norwegians, I would add Saxons and Prussians in one dlc and Danes and Swedes in the other…

@HelpfulGosling3

As potential story for Teutonic Order’s campaign could be ############ Crusade - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian_Crusade)

@HelpfulGosling3

While in the proposed Old Prussians campaign the player would fight against the Teutonic Knights with some success, still being unable to save the nation, the Teutonic Knights would have a different path. Their campaign would begin with defeating the Old Prussians as the first stage. Further missions would involve fighting against the Lithuanians and Poles. The finale would be shortly before the defeat of the Teutonic Knights at Grunwald, which would be described in the campaign’s epilogue animation.

Yes, the German campaign of EE2 started with the Lithuanian crusade in 1250, it could be a prequel to the campaign of Algirdas and Kestutis…

[HelpfulGosling3]

Very good ideas. After potential Asian , American and African Dlc’s Europe can get still many new content packs. For example Switzerland , Rus factions like Novogorod , Muskovite , Slavs renamed to Kievan Rus , Teutonic Order, Old Prussians , Moldova , Wallachia , Austria , Serbs , Croats , Venetians , Papal States , Sorbs (White Serbs). AOE 2 DE still could be supported for many many years. Pity that V&V Dlc was bad but i hope that Devs will add more scenarios to this content and they will back to standard faction pack Dlc’s.

[HelpfulGosling3]

Who Were the Medieval Pagan Prussians?

Interesting short clip about Old Prussians.