Once again RedBull marginalizes us

[dansil92]

competitive is when not aoe3

[OperaticShip743]

It is assumed that it is a game that hardly anyone is interested in, and yet there was enough pressure for an official statement to come out.

[MatM1996]

@Loni

We’re not gonna make it out AoE3 bros

Meme always valid xd …

@KG19991380

at least this time they didn’t fuck it up in marketing by putting aoe3 in like last round
although, remember when it was too much for them to do a 4th game last round but now they magically can but still leave 3 out and instead use the unreleased AOM retold, something’s very wrong here
also before anyone repeats the tired old arguement of aoe3 isn’t esports ready, if 3 isn’t how can an unreleased AOM retold be then?

That’s true…if AoM RT can be in the RBW, then AoE 3 DE can too, although in its defense, AoM has few civs/cultures and is easier to balance, maybe AoM can serve as a test, if it hits well in the RBW, then they will try the titanic task that is AoE 3 DE…

@Dubycapbra

That’s mostly due to a certain individual, which I will not name.

A very toxic Spaniard?..xd

@Dubycapbra

It that was a criteria than AOM should definitely not included and AOE1 is only played in one country and it’s the vanilla version.

Yes, and it’s not even AoE 1… it’s an AoE 2 dlc with things from 1 in it…

@ArrivedLeader22

Let’s summarize:

When AOE3DE was released there was no tournament or any promotion.
When the anniversary event synchronizes with a major AOE3 update and there was no mention of jt.
When the big me ajor AOE3 DLC drops there was no mention on any of the events either.
When AOE3 got the F2P mode they still did nothing besides the routine civ rotation (which is gone too).
Even to portray a 18th century event they use AOE2 editors.

They have not tried even once. Yet they already know promoting this game is not profitable and the tournament will have low view numbers.
But they have much more confidence for a game that would be just released, or a game that fails to attract the legacy players from Vietnam twice.

For other games:
If a game is just released it needs promotion.
If a game is doing well it needs promotion.
If a game is declining it needs promotion.
If the game gets major updates it needs promotion.
If a game belongs to a series it needs promotion in the “whole series” events.
But none of these applies to AOE3. Whatever situation it is in (and it has gone through all of these situations), it does not need promotion.

@ArrivedLeader22

I would buy such self-blaming arguments if the company is all about 2/4. But over time every excuse we’ve found for them was proved wrong by themselves.

Like “oh maybe they don’t want patches to overlap” and they instantly released an AOE2 patch a week after the AOE4 one.

Like “oh maybe they consider AOE2 and 4 as more esports profitable” and then AOE1DE, AOE1DE returned from the grave in the form of ROR, AOE4 but in casual mode, and even the unreleased AOM all joined the party. Just look at how much mental gymnastics they made to justify their inclusion yet they don’t even care to do the slightest for AOE3. Not even a show match.

@DRIVE2024

In conclusion, aoe3 is a dead game. Let’s play aoe2 and 4!

@ArrivedLeader22

All games end up being more casual than competitive I guess.

So I don’t buy the argument “AOE3 is not competitive enough to be included”.

Yes, they are shouting “we launch AoE 3 DE to the players and give them dlcs, but for us, let that game die and everyone who plays it and switch to AoE 2 or AoE 2.2”…

@ArrivedLeader22

If political considerations were the main reason, then they should’ve heavily promoted the African DLC and the revolution updates like how they spent a huge portion of advertising resources (not a lot overall btw) on “native American changes” when the game was released.

And that had not happened either.

Like, I tried to rationalize their decisions before as well, but then an instant counter example emerges, so I gave up

Yes, I put it above…they don’t even know what they want to do with the game…if they like being PC so much, let them promote it with Native Americans and African civs…

@ArrivedLeader22

Oh no they only have such limited budget and time yet they are still working sooooo hard to make this an amazing event for the FRANCHISEEEEEEEE
I’m sooooooo moved.
Maybe we should apologize to them for misunderstanding.

They said the same thing 2 years ago…if it were for time, then they should leave AoE 1/RoR aside and if it were for money it’s a lie, AoE is the flagship of the real-time strategy of a supercorporation like Microsoft…

@ArtisttZ

I feel nothing but angry.
They never give a chance to AOE3.

Yeah, I’ve already resigned myself…I expected them to put AoE 3 DE in the RBW between 2020 and 2022…now I directly prefer that they put the RBW where the sun doesn’t reach them…I’ll watch it simply to support Retold, but with me don’t count for anything else…

@EntombedCurve02

Lol, are we supposed to feel better because the do, in fact, really like AOE3? what a joke.
“despite aoe3 not being part of the event, this is much still a celebration of all the franchise”. What an insulting proposition, but not unexpected. You said everything you needed to say, AOE3 is not on your eyes part of the Age franchise, where you can have a game that died TWICE (AOE1 DE and RoR) before a better game, fun a playable. Vietnamese people are NEVER going to migrate to those games, but I guess its better to alienate a part of your community for the fleeting promise of capturing an audience that you are NOT going to entice.

Yes, they want to shoot themselves in the foot… no Vietnamese will play RoR and on top of that they put themselves on top of the AoE 3 community, which has thousands of players around the world…

@moonshineaoe

Its unfortunately something what you just dont understand. But here are my thoughts about this.

You get since Months a 0 information handling, we have to play since like 3 Months with a bug Abuse civ like USA, some civs dont get touched for no reason like Otto e.g, Aztec, Africa idk.

Then they announce a new DLC in a pretty vague way like not even a exact date, we didnt get anything in the meantime since they released the new dlc. In addition to that you would expect that your company trys to push new content, so you automatically would assume that they get aoe3 in just to push the selling of the DLC as well as to give the game a chance to grow up since we being in bad spot opinion wise since like 10 years. But how do you change a public opinion if you dont give your product even a chance in the public ? Also its very questionable that there is 250.000 Dollar price pool, every single game gets included and only ours isnt ? like Huh ? The only logic conclusion you get from this handling is that there are multiple reasons obviously getting handled in a very bad mood - Communication, Background stuff, no plan about the game about its future, no roadmap, no stable budget as it seems. Like for real - How do you expect to improve something if you handle it that bad ?

To me this seems like a Doktor Jekyll / Mr. Hide problem. On the one Hand they try to hold the game alive and on the other hand they dont support it properly. If you think about its pretty confusing isnt it ?

I didnt even speak about the game itself yet. But lets mention some things which are clearly needed.

• a proper UI where you can interact in game with your friends. Like the current UI seems like 2000 boomer like.
• a proper Casting Tool - Why not working together with people from other parts of the franchise to get something developed in a solid way ? Even Aizamks UI from 2018 is way better as the current stuff.
• Fix Out of Syncs xD Like we actually know why recs go OOS (due to skins, Game settings) fix that. Its not that hard lol.
• Ranked Seasons, Map Ban, Civ choice according to the Map. Take an Example from AoE4 here!
• a proper circle about patches. Like since DE we had enough patches just not in a regular way. So why not making it like that we get per year 8 Patches 4 Mayor Patches, 4 Hotfixes e.g
• a better communication with the community and their executives ( content creators)
• a better using of the “News” Subject in the Main Menu. Like the last activity is mentioned from 2020 xD
• Rewarding Players in terms Profile Pictures. Right now we have players who didnt got a new picture since 9 weeks xD like why the game is rewarding overall not personally connected ?
• spend Love to the Historical Battles and Challenges. Since Release there is a single official singleplayer challenge - a poorly bombard challenge xD, Make Historical Battles as own content. Thats great Stuff, even Multiplayer Gamers have fun with it. Why not using it as advantage for Singleplayer Gamers ?
• Support People who have the backbone of this community and working for projects Websites, Companion Site, Aoe3 App or Tournament Organizers. Why not supporting them in official channels, with social media posts, cooperate with them ? I dont see a single reason to not do it, if you spend 250k for one tournament. Its not like that AOE3 needs 50k every single 6 months ^^
  Last but not least i would say the biggest Problem for this game is the communication. I would start properly talking to the community and tell them what is going on and what we can expect for a upcoming year. Also it might be the case that you get help from people of the community but if you dont ask or talk to the community then you cant expect much more as only frustration.

Yes, I agree, I couldn’t have said it better…in short, to improve the game it needs love, communication and content…if any of these 3 fail, the game does not deploy all the potential it could and ends up swallowed up by the other games in the saga…

@BaldRock2260278

If this is any other franchise PR (mobile game for example) talking like that, the company will be review bombed into broke in like half an hour.

@ArrivedLeader22

But the “playerbase” (not including AOE3 players) is happy so they won’t.

@OperaticShip743

It is assumed that it is a game that hardly anyone is interested in, and yet there was enough pressure for an official statement to come out.

Yes, if they did the same to AoE 2, the AoE 2 community would eat them raw, but since it’s AoE 3, no one complains there and even the AoE 2 players make fun of the AoE 3 players saying "haha, “dead game” (that happened to me 2 years ago in an AoE Facebook group called Mundo AoE, which mostly uploads things from AoE 2 and I didn’t pay attention to one who was making fun of it, saying me “what does it feel like to play a game dead?” and I was left chewing anger)…

@BonnyMountain91

Aoe4’s prizepool has fallen since last time. It is less than half the amount for Aoe2. Also, the last wololo winner was directly seeded to the final match xD. So for him, it is just a showmatch. Whether he wins or loses, he is guaranteed to take home a large amount of money. They also changed the wording of tournament rules when the playerbase complained about Empire Wars mode being non competitve. Such a mess.

I do feel they are genuinely worried Aoe3 can steal the shine from Aoe4 further, because it is already not doing as well as expected.

Yes, you don’t need to say it…they want everyone to move to AoE 4 and if AoE 3 looks better, they boycott it…

@RoomOfTheEvil

It is kinda funny that the game that had the dlc that sold the most in the entire history of the franchise has just 10k more prizepool than a failed aoe1 port in aoe2.

Yes, they only care about 2 and the rest stays in the dark background…

@stephensundin

I have a bridge to sell all of the AOE4 people that actually believe this claim.

Yes, although it may be considering that the dlc was released on both Steam and the Microsoft Store, so it may be because of the hype that it sold so much…

[Tetsuryu]

Je ne dirais pas que le jeu soit mort, mais ceci dit je pense que certains échelons de WE n’en ont strictement rien à faire de aoe 3 DE

[SenorSmite]

Sorry but I don’t think you can be in an organized event like Redbull with out of syncs, out of sync recorded games, the weird glitchy postgame screens, disconnects, and a trash UI. It wouldn’t be a good look. They don’t want to dedicate resources to fixing those things because there’s no benefit, and the game is already in a playable state, just not in a showcase state.

[ArrivedLeader22]

@SenorSmite

just not in a showcase state

What about a game that would be just released?

[coyotekiller114]

Yeah. The inclusion of AOMR negated all these arguments. It’s an unreleased game; it’s going to be chock full of bugs and exploits during RBW.

[FiveWind6951746]

WE seem hellbent on pushing AoMR as an Esports title. Sigh.

[SenorSmite]

They want to advertise aomr and it will be in a showcase ready state. Aoe3 never has been. Aoe2 and aoe4 were the cash cows for the publisher. Aoe3de was released to just complete the series.

[OperaticShip743]

@stephensundin

Yeah. The inclusion of AOMR negated all these arguments. It’s an unreleased game; it’s going to be chock full of bugs and exploits during RBW.

It is also argued that AOM participates because there is a good mass of spectators. Does AOM have more fans than AOE-3?

[ArrivedLeader22]

Nah we never lack excuses.

AOE3 needs to reach the same number of players as 2 and 4, develop a playerbase in Vietnam as 1 (the legacy version, btw), and have the same number of “potential” players and viewers (god knows how to estimate that) and also the same predicted release state as AOM, all at the same time, to receive any official promotion.

That’s the fierce and brutal esports world my friend.

[coyotekiller114]

Now that’s a good question. With it being the latest RTS on the market and with a lot of attached nostalgia, it might get a ton of eyeballs.

[ArrivedLeader22]

@SenorSmite

They want to advertise aomr and it will be in a showcase ready state.

I’d be willing to pay if I can try out your time machine.

[KG19991380]

@SenorSmite

They want to advertise aomr and it will be in a showcase ready state. Aoe3 never has been. Aoe2 and aoe4 were the cash cows for the publisher. Aoe3de was released to just complete the series.

well i’ll patiently wait to see how poorly the showcase ready part ends up aging, remember retold is upgraded 3 DE engine, i think the real reason for excluding 3 is how terrified the corpo world plus twitter mob are of its time period (even the word colonialism is a no no it seems)

[JuanTheHidalgo]

@EliteRiflemann

I clarify, marginalizing in my language does not mean discrimination or prejudice, it means isolating. If it is misunderstood, I can change the title.

No! It’s much funnier this way.

[MatM1996]

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Je ne dirais pas que le jeu soit mort, mais ceci dit je pense que certains échelons de WE n’en ont strictement rien à faire de aoe 3 DE
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Oui, je suis d’accord… on s’en est rendu compte il y a quelque temps…

@SenorSmite

Sorry but I don’t think you can be in an organized event like Redbull with out of syncs, out of sync recorded games, the weird glitchy postgame screens, disconnects, and a trash UI. It wouldn’t be a good look. They don’t want to dedicate resources to fixing those things because there’s no benefit, and the game is already in a playable state, just not in a showcase state.

Good point…well in that case, let them meet with capture age and see how to improve the UI…if AoM can be in the RBW, then AoE 3 DE could easily be in the RBW (if you want, do a tournament with European civs on European maps promoting the Baltic DLC)…

@ArrivedLeader22

What about a game that would be just released?

@stephensundin

Yeah. The inclusion of AOMR negated all these arguments. It’s an unreleased game; it’s going to be chock full of bugs and exploits during RBW.

Yes, adding AoM already dismantles the argument of not including AoE 3, if you already have AoM and you are going to launch a Baltic dlc for AoE 3, then add AoE 3 instead of having a tournament for an AoE 2 DE dlc that few play…

@FiveWind6951746

WE seem hellbent on pushing AoMR as an Esports title. Sigh.

And if the game doesn’t work, then they won’t give it a place in the next RBW because blah blah blah it wasn’t compe###### blah blah blah…

@SenorSmite

They want to advertise aomr and it will be in a showcase ready state. Aoe3 never has been. Aoe2 and aoe4 were the cash cows for the publisher. Aoe3de was released to just complete the series.

@KG19991380

well i’ll patiently wait to see how poorly the showcase ready part ends up aging, remember retold is upgraded 3 DE engine, i think the real reason for excluding 3 is how terrified the corpo world plus twitter mob are of its time period (even the word colonialism is a no no it seems)

Well then, screw them… I’ll watch the RBW to support AoM Retold, but it sucks that they discredit AoE 3 in that way, it’s unfair and the game doesn’t deserve it… they can’t cover the sun with a finger, at some point people are going to ask for AoE 3 in the RBW and they will have no choice but to put it in…I’m going to laugh a lot if AoE 2 and AoM come out with bugs and then need to do damage control for being arrogants…

@OperaticShip743

It is also argued that AOM participates because there is a good mass of spectators. Does AOM have more fans than AOE-3?

I doubt it…but I don’t rule out that AoM has an acceptable community by the standards of the saga (I think it has between 2000 and 3000 players); with Retold it may reach 5000 or 7000 and with all the fury above 10k…

@ArrivedLeader22

AOE3 needs to reach the same number of players as 2 and 4, develop a playerbase in Vietnam as 1 (the legacy version, btw), and have the same number of “potential” players and viewers (god knows how to estimate that) and also the same predicted release state as AOM, all at the same time, to receive any official promotion.

Yes, they have more “buts”…they better say that they don’t like the game for X things and we take off our masks…

@stephensundin

Now that’s a good question. With it being the latest RTS on the market and with a lot of attached nostalgia, it might get a ton of eyeballs.

That’s true, I don’t rule it out…AoM Retold is going to be the star of RBW (RoR, AoE 2 and AoE 4 will make a bit of a splash and there they will be, maybe AoE 4 will increase a little in popularity because of the Byzantines and the Japanese…with RoR and AoE 2 maybe they will release new dlcs so they don’t run out of anything to promote)…