i think swapping sultahani trade network and istanbul imperial palace could be a good idea with some adjustments of course. something like less bonus expirience more for imperial palace and more instant trader for sultahani could be balance easily. i also think pax ottomana should 2nd tier to help the slow eco problem with ottoman. the current ottoman feudal landmark feels basically the same with both gives you passive resource, with instanbul imperial council available in feudal and pax ottomana is easier to get, ottoman macro game might actually possible. there is also many potential other way to play ottoman with imperial palace landmark in feudal.
Their issue is surviving early game, I think a potential solution is allowing a second military school to be built in the first age and adjust starting stone.
maybe. having extra mili school make could let them scale faster but i do afraid that makes them very strong in dark age. my idea with instanbul imperial palace is for ottoman to get their instant bonuses faster with the cost of thier passive resource bonus which i think can help them a lot in very early stage of the game. kinda like how ayyubids have instant bunus and slow but longer bonuses depend on their wing
Thats bad idea cutting one of the eco landmark which they strugle survive most.
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i am not getting what you are saying. there is no cutting any landmark, i said swap them, even if you cut the worse eco landmark its not even a nerf anyway because you still have the one everyone use. you don’t need gold early anyway as ottoman so why have it early? if you have imperial palace early then maybe cavalry archer play can be a thing, if pax ottomana is available earlier than maybe you can play multiple tc playstyle competitively
You are cutting their early eco.Make comments or sugestions after you play with the civ please.
The trade landmark is better than the berry landmark actually, though both have their uses.
I never played much of the Ottoman civ, as a way of protesting that it lacked horse archers. But “now that it has that”, maybe I’ll get around to playing them.
Unfortunately, just when I get what I want, they nerfed the big bombards and all the handcannoners in the game, including the Janissary, reduced the power of the castle age mangonels (nerfing the power of one of their landmarks), and changed the order of the unique technologies unlocked, making many of the old guides now useless. Hehehe, well, what can I do, I still want to play them, but yeah, they need some balance or improvement.
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i remember i saw on reddit that the food landmark actually give more resource and the fact that food is more scarce in early stages, you should always go for the food landmark
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ottoman is probably my second most played civ and i play it in around 1600 mmr
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I just feel like mangonels are the best anti-personnel siege in imperial, to a point where there’s no need to make springalds or great bombards in the late game as ottoman, because mangonels are cheaper, can be produced faster and they kill everything. And unless your opponent spams horses against you, you don’t even need to make janissaries. You know what I mean? I just don’t feel like I’m playing ottoman.
Yes probably speak when its definetly
why did you act like an a** and act like you know eveything. are you one of those gold with conqueror knowledge?
Yes you are right i was rude you have right to make a post even if you dont know anything.
In terms of amount per minute it provides slightly more food than you get gold with the trade landmark however gold is much more valuable than food, you also get a free market and can train additional traders to boost the income which can be further boosted by trade bags. Also it’s a very safe and passive source of gold whilst you must dedicate vills to the food landmark and they can be raided/idled. Overall I much prefer the trade landmark.
Every one says Ottomans sucks. Keep this way devs.
gold maybe more valuable in later stages of the game which per my suggestion you can still get the better version of the landmark in castle. food are more valuable in early stage of the game where you still donb’t have farms, it runs out much faster and the fact that ottoman doesn’t use much gold its better to get the food landmark.
i swear guys like you argue for the sake of belittling other people, you don’t even try to understand my suggestion.
I’d say you have more than enough food early game between starting berries, sheep gathered and sheep from the vizier point provides 2k food. Gold can be an issue early on like vs knight civs so I prefer the trade landmark.
food might sound a lot but you also use much more of it, just think about it, how fast do you need to get to outside food compare to getting your second gold mine? even as french where its heavy gold civ i would rather have extra food income rather than extra gold income in early stage of the game and that is civ that uses a lot of gold. a lot of ottoman feudal focus game that i play is decided by who runs out of food first.