Yes i will assume you didnt done any math errors i will not check them so goodjob and you learned that they dont deal 2 times more damage than crossbow
They do at equal numbers, and āonlyā do 1.6x the damage at equal resources assuming you spent another 525 resources on archer upgrades (which is also not a very good measurement because equal resources require more buildings or time). Thatās why I spelled out the calculations so that even a 5th grader could follow and realize jans did drastically more damage than xbows to knights.
Idk why you insist on gaslighting basic math and come up with the absurd idea that xbows are anywhere near as good vs knights as jans.
This also ignores civs that often build light cavalry like Delhi an Ottomans that frequently train which janisarries are more than 3x better than xbows against
when i calculate it i also gave knights armor too so its equal them you are insisting you cant accept that im right you did the maths and its around %60 more damage Delhi and Ottomans build light cav at feudal when they reach castle they can go man at arms or just cheap spear and archer combo which wins against sipahi janissary combo which is far more costlier to get
Are you forgetting to calculate attack speed?? I showed you the basic math, you need more than 2 crossbows to have the same dps for every 1 janissary vs knights. It ends up being about 60% extra damage if you use equal resources. I did factor in the knights having 5 armor (Castle age with +1 blacksmith upgrade).
The fact that Janissaries are light on food cost compared to other units and cost no wood is a huge deal on maps where food is harder to get than gold too.
I guess Iāll stop trying to explain this, since forumers seem to refuse to understand basic arithmetic and the opinions of every professional Delhi player from the past few weeks.
Personally I weight the opinions of Beasty, Marinelord, Vortix, Bee, Lucifron etc over yourself, but maybe in gold league, Janissaries are suddenly much worse than when you use them in Conqueror.
We did calculate the attack speed too and knight had +2 armor in calculation
None of them uses it they are just trying to make it work or get it from the vizier points to whatever they can add to help their army.You are hiding behind the pros since you accepted defeat in lots of game they lost because they made janissary at castle age
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Every person I quoted built at least 5-15 janissaries from their archer range on top of the 6-10 from the company. On occasion even more (Lucifron went full janissary sipahi at one point with archers).
3 Jans do 52 dps.
4 fully blacksmith upgraded xbows do 32 dps
to knights with +1 armor. Giving knights a 2nd armor will marginally affect the numbers
That is equal resources (and the 3 jans train faster than 4 xbows too!), and apparently in your mind 52 = 32ā¦
when did i said that can you find it and show me i said %60 more damge (which late you accepted),you said %100 more damage also when we look at other factors crossbow is by far the better choice compared to janissary because spearmen can do what they do better and cheaper.
this is the damage of a +2 knight armor by the way you are wrong again such a shame
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You are correct on the armor. However if knights have less blacksmith upgrades, that skews the DPS even more in favor of the janissaries (due to attack speed)
With +0 armor jans do 18.67 dps and xbows do 8.94 dps each (though thatās equal numbers not equal resources)
Spearman donāt necessarily do Janās job better because they are melee which makes them less able to attack properly due to pathing, and definitely less able to focus fire. Again spearman + xbow is really pricy on food, which oftentimes is more of a premium than gold in castle age.
you are making no sense spearmen does the job better cheaper and can fend off any cav easy.I never gone short on food when im in castle age you are making things from your imagination
Sorry if I only watched every single call to arms tournament game and used the information I learned from professional play.
Sure spearman might do a better job if the enemy just a-clicks their entire cavalry force directly into them (at least until you start reaching pop cap), but once you get to a certain point, people are far better at microing, and donāt engage all their cav until spearman are mostly killed by the archers/other stuff that kill spears. Janissaries can actually stand behind MAA/Sipahi which force the enemy to engage with the cav.
Iām surprised that youāve never reached the point where you need farms in castle age. I suppose in certain games, people donāt contest other resources as hard and maybe you go imp faster since not producing full military isnāt punished, but if you have to farm transition, it is a huge resource investment that sets you back in military production, so generally itās wise to take steps to put this off as lo## ## possible.
Ä°f you are letting archers kill your spearman and not pulling them back it shows you are a bad player,if the jans are behind any unit just kill it with trash archers they die so easly since they outranged by archers they cant do anything you should watch more tournaments to learn to play i guess
im building my farms in castle age also huntable animals exist and when you get attacked you get attacked from gold mine location %90 because its away from tc you keep watch those matches maybe you learn something like how to gather food at castle age :D:D
Good to know you think pros are bad players. Everything I am stating here are from the professional games with some added math. None of this is based on my experience as the civ.
If you are building farms in castle age, that means there is a huge extra resource cost to these units. Janās cost less food than going xbow/spear, which mean you need less farms, which means that you save a lot of wood that arenāt calculated in direct comparisons
Crossbow army is also significantly more vulnerable to mangos (and to a lesser extent horseman), since crossbows have less hp and take bonus damage from them (which jans dont), and you need more of them (since they individually do less damage, so you generally build more because they are cheaper).
I think you are a bad player keep watching them more maybe you learn how to play :D:D:D
Every civ need to build farms at castle age
If you only making jans you are already dead trash archers will kill you and the amount of villagers need to work on resources to create janissary are much higher than crossbow
This part is the only right thing you said so far,everthing else is the comments of a person with really really low intelligence