That’s exactly what my concern is.
You cant fix that problem without reworking the entire civ.
You’re exaggerating by a mile here.
As I already posted in my thread: I would give their cavaliers (with nerfed szlachta privileges) the trample damage and their hussars extra HP.
That would solve their problem with lategam (cav) archer civs.
if we put paladins on poles, then dont explain why bulgarians got paladins removed for abuse metagaming
I dont think I am that far away from the truth.
Particularly considering Poles dont have many bonuses, if you want to buff their hussars against arrows you will have to do a lot of big changes imo
Before public new DLC i was very excited how it will be a my people - Poles 
a little i’m confused. Generaly it’s very nice civs but like for me it’s something not fully corespond. Obuch befure game it was not good unit but after few games i can say - hey it was good choice but Winged hussars? I feel finally a litle - this unit is a little wronged
In my opinion - Winged Hussars for Poles it should be a little stronger. This civs don’t have fully upgrade for stable so i think it could be nice small bonus for light calavry - if not armor so a little more HP. I know it’s quite cheap an strong but … But it’s flagship unit for Poles and Polish history. i think it could to have additional armor against gunpowder units - like Italian Conditiero.
Please also +5HP for Obuch a nd +1 atack. While play 4vs 4 and enemy are calavry like Franks, Tatars and for example Byzanties and Teutons Poles don’t have a something special on Calavry unit’s. No halbardies so please give us small bonus like upper 
Please check for example Turkey civs - they have against calavry Camles with full ugrades for calavry (ok i undersand - They don’t have upgrades for spearman). Propably not everyone accept my idea but after that i think it can be a more ballacend expeccialy gunpowder civs or other stronger civs also Sicilians wich have very nice bonuses also calavry. In this point additional i think polish Wing husards are wronged.
Kind regars from Cracow and thank a lot of for Your attention
PS - sorry for my low english but with 2 unique units it should to made something. Palladins it wasn’t popular units in our story because generaly we didin’t have expensive units in Castle age.
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with the best hussars in the game on a civ with a farming bonus (I think people are sleeping on this tbh, theres a reason all the civs with farming bonus dont have better than FU hussars)
And I think thats fine considering its for balancing a farming bonus as well as blast damage
I think you might be overestimating the value of this particular farming bonus a bit.
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The better part is actually the first since the Poles’ Hussars are the worst of all, fastest dying to arrow-fire and therefore trash both for raiding and chasing Archers. 
Its the best farming bonus in terms of work rate and the advantage of getting food sooner is good too.
I feel like you are the one understimating it. The Winged Hussar spam of Poles with the final armour wpuld at the very least be borderline broken and most probsbly completely broken.
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did you mean the “Seeded or re-seeded Farms have 10% of their total food storage immediately collected (removed from the Farm)” ? This could be considered as +10% work rate, nothing more I guess. Or did you mean another “farming bonus” that I’m not aware of. If we’re on the same page then in long term this one is just equal to Slavs’ bonus (+10% work rate). And Slavs have both halberdiers and hussars.
About Winged Hussar, I checked in few games and they indeed die fast without that armor upgrade. Also as you can see on some great video analysis on YT they’re weaker than other hussars in different scenarios.
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I am talking about the hipothetical FU Winged hussar instead of the current one. Rn Polish WH spam is fairly meh.
And the farming bonus for Poles is actually slightly faster (Poles need to collect 10% less food while Slavs collect 10% faster) and you are getting the food earlier.
in short term it looks faster (you get ~ 50 food instantly, then back to normal rate) but in long term it’s just 10% improvement in work rate.
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Its still slightly stronger long term at 11% faster(tbh a 1% increase isnt that exciting but its stilla little bit better)
Either way I still think the best hussars in the gsme for a civ with a farming boost isnt a great idea
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That 1% is negligible in this case, the fact is that other civs with similar bonuses, like Slavs, get halberdiers, hussars and full armor upgrades. This missing plate barding armor for Poles is probably the very first thing to fix.
Halberdiers would be nice to have, but not necessary if Obuch can be combined with Pikes.
Lastly, going back to the topic, Paladins ? not sure, if Poles get paladins then they probably don’t need that last armor upgrade. If they don’t get paladins in next patches, then at least should get full armor upgrade and/or halbs. What is really odd here is that Lithuanians have Paladins and full armor upgrade but Poles not (tbh. should be the other way around).
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Absolutely not.
Winged Hussars are already better than Magyar Huszars on melee, giving them the last armour on cav for a civ with a farming bonus is almost certainly OP. And halbs dont matter for Hussar spam
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And Poles can’t do this in practice at all without getting raided to death. Unlike Slavs who can farm under Town Centers.
The Folwark is such an insane Eco bonus because you get the food immediately. It is about timing. It’s way more worth than the “overall” 10 % faster use-off the farms.
My Calcs with the booming potential of the different civs shown that Poles are actually the second best booming civ after Cumans. Besides part of it also comes from the stone to gold bonus, the biggest impact has the Folwark, as it allows you to place TCs in much faster succession than with all the other civs. Because you need to place far less farms with them to keep your TCs working all the time.
The assesment of 10 % food instantly is equiavalent to 10% faster farming is just ignorant - at each point of time the poles player can have way more food - especially just after placing the farms. This makes their economy so much smoother, especially when going for boom, obuch, the reduced knight line or winged hussars. All of them benefit massively from the Folwark Bonus.
The tradeoff of the folwark is that it takes a lot of attention (attention economists, cry!) and expose your eco more to raids if you prefer folwark economy over the protection of your TCs.
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folkwark is just more useless balancing by tiny-map-only players who don’t understand that there’s more to the game than raiding farmers with tiny groups of xbows
on a normal-sized map and when the ladder is using braindead settings that let poles spawn in back 100% of the time, the rush distance is enormous. the farmers are always safe
it’s so much more. all that front loaded food is a huge boon, SotLs math shows its better then Slavs bonus.
I’ll take front loaded production any day, thank you.
Slavs also don’t generate gold from stone
so build your folwarks around your TC. simple solution. or position a good defensive castle. i don’t see the pros complaining about it making your eco a little more open. still pretty simple solution.
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