POLL: AOE 1 graphics into ROR?

[Prokman7582]

Berries and stone mine look pretty fine, indeed.

[ArkadasLlisa]

Good Enough

The good thing is that a mod can be MP compatible with only changing this graphics, right?

[TyrannoNinja]

I actually like seeing AoE1 civilizations juxtaposed against AoE2 terrain assets. AoE2 now has a diversity of terrains (e.g. snow, jungle, savanna, etc.) that was lacking in AoE1.

[Skadidesu]

@CinnamonIce6056

And I can bet you that you are the one with bad eyesight, because these things ARE part of the academy, next to the academy is a bonfire that already exists. Go ahead, draw red circles all you want.

No they are absent in other academies in the same screenshot and appear in another part of a different screenshot.

@CinnamonIce6056

And you can’t possibly explain the total lack of any new content with… effing weapon racks…that aren’t actually there. Make sure you understand the point of the topic before responding inadequately.

You are talking about new cosmetic assets, right?
Because there are a lot of them in those 5 screenshots alone.

@TommoChocolate

I’m not sure why you brought this up. Weapon racks and statues aren’t in any way interchangeable with the AoE1 terrain objects.

I don’t expect statues and weapon racks to appear in random maps but they will be in custom scenarios.
And they are designed with the current aesthetics in mind.
AoE1DE terrain and gaia objects like berries, mines or trees would look out of place.

Also they added the AoE1DE terrain to RoR apparently as seen in some RoR videos.
But it is not used in every random map so you will also see AoE2 terrain.

Berries and mines can very easily be modded in. There is very likely already a mod for that anyway.

Egyptians

Vietnamese

Plus some that already appear in the Egyptian one.

Greeks vs. Babylonians

This is most underwhelming one since it’s mostly water.

Romans

This one has the most details but some already appear in earlier screenshots so I didn’t repost them.
I also ignored assets that already exist in AoE2DE.

Babylonians

Those tings are also not part of those buildings because they don’t appear on every of them.

AoE2DE does not have that many cosmetic objects, this DLC adds more then any other one before for sure.
We also don’t know how much we haven’t seen yet. Those are only 5 screenshots.

[CinnamonIce6056]

That is good enough, in fact it is great. However my other point still stands.

Why do all this work when you are gonna leave the rest unfinished? AOE2 terrain doesn’t look good on AOE 1 buildings, it looks weird and out of place. Trees are larger scale than the buildings, because they are scaled with the larger AOE 2 buildings. Same with Flower, shallows etc.

[Skadidesu]

The terrain miss match comes down to taste.
I personally thing the AoE2 terrain works well with AoE1 buildings.

Also the tree scale doesn’t seem to be that different between AoE1DE and RoR.

AoE1DE terrains seem to be in RoR anyway and the other stuff should easily be modded in.

[CinnamonIce6056]

If you are mostly AOE2 player, then you wont really care.

But if you are mostly AOE1 player, then the difference is big, if you are used to the graphics and now you get these AOE2 ones, it looks really weird and out of place.

[TommoChocolate]

@Skadidesu

AoE1DE terrain and gaia objects like berries, mines or trees would look out of place.

I don’t know, the Mediterranean forest in AoE2 DE originated in AoE1 DE. It uses the exact same trees graphics, just scaled a bit differently. I think if they did the same with the other trees from AoE1, it would look fine.

@Skadidesu

Also they added the AoE1DE terrain to RoR apparently as seen in some RoR videos.

I’ll look out for it, I haven’t watched many videos yet.

[Skadidesu]

LEGIONARY vs EVERY UNIT (Return of Rome) | AoE II: DE

Tell me if I’m wrong but that looks like AoE1DE grass. I can’t remember seeing that in AoE2DE before.

It’s also clearly in RoR and not AoE1DE.

[TommoChocolate]

@Skadidesu

Tell me if I’m wrong but that looks like AoE1DE grass. I can’t remember seeing that in AoE2DE before.

I’m not sure. To me it looks like AoE2 Grass 3 with the contrast boosted, but I could be wrong.

[Skadidesu]

The under the building grass looks like AoE1DE and not like the Dirt 2 from AoE2DE.

[TommoChocolate]

Zetnus did a stream using the scenario editor, and said there are no new terrains. (This video: Twitch, about 21:20.) So I’m not sure what’s going on with the MikeEmpires video.

[Skadidesu]

sorry I just checked the in the Editor myself, that grass is already in AoE2DE.
Seems like I haven’t played enough AoE2 since the DE came out.

Edit:
Watched some parts of his streams.
Seems like he is trying to figure out how to do exactly what you guys want.
Mod in AoE1DE terrain and Gaia stuff.

[TudorIonascu88]

That would be very nice, to have more types of forests in AoE2:DE !

[TommoChocolate]

@Skadidesu

Edit:
Watched some parts of his streams.
Seems like he is trying to figure out how to do exactly what you guys want.
Mod in AoE1DE terrain and Gaia stuff.

Yes, and it looks like modding RoR is less obvious than I expected.

Unfortunately I have the Microsoft Store version of AoE1 DE, which makes it impossible for me to mod with the AoE1 graphics because they’re in the unusable compressed slp format. (Unless someone has figured out how to decompress it.)

[CinnamonIce6056]

Bump for democracy

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[Skadidesu]

They should just make it an official mod. That would give people the choice.

Not sure how easy it would be to port the terrain because it can’t fully replace AoE2 terrain because there is a lot more of it.
So if it only replaces half of the AoE2 terrain then all the maps that use other terrain will look bad because they mix AoE1 with AoE2 terrain.

[MatM1996]

@Skadidesu

Look at all the small little details they added.
Statues, aqueducts, broken catapults, obelisks, bushes, animals and so.
There are so many different statues alone.
You can find a lot of details when you look closely.
You can’t get anywhere close to that in AoE1DE.

@CinnamonIce6056

I don’t see any new items, at least from the ones released so far.
Maybe they could add a mode where we could choose between AOE1 and AOE2 graphics.

I don’t know. Im frustrated. Playing AOE1 with AOE2 graphics is really an abomination, it’s a huge turn off for any AOE1 fan. Really the whole thing seems half-done and unfinished. They fixed half of the stuff and broke half of the other stuff. I’m already having buyers remorse, but I can’t pass on this anyways.

I don’t think they have added any new unque buildings or units for the scenario editor too, like the 7 wonders of the world (Lighthouse of Alexandria, Temple of Zeus etc), Unique Wonders for every civ, some cool new Heroes or units for scenario design. Just Copy-Pasta of everything into the AOE2 terrains that are made for another game.

Maybe I’m too blunt here, but that’s the honestly the way I feel about this whole DLC. It’s Microsoft for god’s sake, they can’t be having so many difficulties fixing a 25 y old game for the third time. And we can not go back to AOE1 as it is already dead and will become even more dead.

I just hope they will start paying attention to the issues of the game. Or this game is just cursed and isn’t ment to be fixed.

@CinnamonIce6056

Another possibility is that you have an option between AOE 1 and 2 graphics.

Can’t understand for the life of … why they did it like this. Reeks of laziness. I want to create custom scenarios/campaigns and the AOE2 terrain features ruin the immersion totally. Within AOE2 the graphics are great, but they are oversized for the smaller AOE1 buildings and overal just looks odd.

@TommoChocolate

True, but there’s actually a very specific thing I want that that wouldn’t help with: more forest types in AoE2, using the trees from AoE1. When AoE2 DE was released they introduced the Mediterranean forest which uses trees from AoE1 DE, so why not elm, ash, sago palm, etc.? I want to be able to combine terrain from both games, not switch between the two.

@CinnamonIce6056

There is an issue, because the terrains Grass, Dirt, Desert, Sand, Water etc. look different in both versions. Although I can’t imagine it will be very hard to combine them.

I got to say that the mountains from AOE2 look very odd and out of place with AOE1 buildings. Why they don’t make a version for AOE1 out of those items.
Same with gaia items like Desert Cracks, Desert patches, grass clumps and the AOE2 flowers and grass patches. They don’t really go well together.

AOE1 graphics were very good, they were just missing some more detailed items. Now it’s looks like a Frankenstein of both games.

@Prokman7582

The assets that I miss the most are the most easily distinct:

Berries, Gold mine, Stone mine (I haven’t tested if they fit well in AoE2DE environment tho).

And I’m not sure yet about the animals; I don’t want to miss the traditional African Elephant of AoE1DE, since the Elephant in AoE2DE is the Asian Elephant. Haven’t checked the others… Lions, Crocs, etc.

@TyrannoNinja

I actually like seeing AoE1 civilizations juxtaposed against AoE2 terrain assets. AoE2 now has a diversity of terrains (e.g. snow, jungle, savanna, etc.) that was lacking in AoE1.

@Skadidesu

I don’t expect statues and weapon racks to appear in random maps but they will be in custom scenarios.
And they are designed with the current aesthetics in mind.
AoE1DE terrain and gaia objects like berries, mines or trees would look out of place.

Also they added the AoE1DE terrain to RoR apparently as seen in some RoR videos.
But it is not used in every random map so you will also see AoE2 terrain.

Berries and mines can very easily be modded in. There is very likely already a mod for that anyway.

@Skadidesu

Those tings are also not part of those buildings because they don’t appear on every of them.

AoE2DE does not have that many cosmetic objects, this DLC adds more then any other one before for sure.
We also don’t know how much we haven’t seen yet. Those are only 5 screenshots.

@CinnamonIce6056

That is good enough, in fact it is great. However my other point still stands.

Why do all this work when you are gonna leave the rest unfinished? AOE2 terrain doesn’t look good on AOE 1 buildings, it looks weird and out of place. Trees are larger scale than the buildings, because they are scaled with the larger AOE 2 buildings. Same with Flower, shallows etc.

@Skadidesu

The terrain miss match comes down to taste.
I personally thing the AoE2 terrain works well with AoE1 buildings.

Also the tree scale doesn’t seem to be that different between AoE1DE and RoR.

AoE1DE terrains seem to be in RoR anyway and the other stuff should easily be modded in.

@CinnamonIce6056

If you are mostly AOE2 player, then you wont really care.

But if you are mostly AOE1 player, then the difference is big, if you are used to the graphics and now you get these AOE2 ones, it looks really weird and out of place.

@TommoChocolate

I don’t know, the Mediterranean forest in AoE2 DE originated in AoE1 DE. It uses the exact same trees graphics, just scaled a bit differently. I think if they did the same with the other trees from AoE1, it would look fine.

@Skadidesu

They should just make it an official mod. That would give people the choice.

Not sure how easy it would be to port the terrain because it can’t fully replace AoE2 terrain because there is a lot more of it.
So if it only replaces half of the AoE2 terrain then all the maps that use other terrain will look bad because they mix AoE1 with AoE2 terrain.

That’s true… I agree with everything…

@xWHIT3W0LFx

Stone mines and berries look like this in AoE2, it’s a screenshot from my mod. Also, the terrain in the screenshot is ported from AoEDE.

Looks great…

[xWHIT3W0LFx]

Some progress on my terrain mod, will continue after my exams.

[CinnamonIce6056]

Great. Try to include the Desert Patches, Grass clumps etc. gaia items from AOE if possible.

So we can have a good case against the DEVS for adding the AOE1 terrain.

I played a little bit the Sargon campaign and the Scenario editor, the AOE2 terrains and dimensions feel weird.