POLL: Should the Variant Civilization Names Change?

Who said anything about mythological beings or gods…?

People that say there will be such stuff, don’t know anything and we all know nothing of what these variety civs will bring in terms of content.

We really don’t have any context to the names either or explanations so far, that info will eventually be available to us eventually. It is literally just the Xbox App/Store/Gamepass or whatever text, that have the names written out.

The current issue is that most of the names are not appreciated, and that is valid criticism. But leave it at that, there is no need to start spinning on about a bunch of nonsense.

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In the next DLC after Sultan’s Ascend, we will welcome our new civ variations:

Delhi Sultanate → Magic Carpet Army
English → Ed Longshanks Freedom Fighters
Ottomans → Shaka, when the walls fell

That’s how ridiculous these names sound, Relic. I hope you realize and course correct.

Sigh… “Empire of Jade”… come on!

BTW, not that the AoE series has been super historically accurate, but any semblance of historical realism went out the window in AoE4 when the magical biome with the white stag and the very nice fellow forest monster appeared.

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Pretty sure the Empire of Jade is referring to the precious mineral/gemstone that was very valuable in ancient China and associated with royalty, not the myth. I could be wrong though, all we are going off is a name.

Forgive my ignorance. I haven’t dug through every channel and read every single word of every post on this subject but am unaware of any attacks (ex. name calling or threats) of the devs, only the ideas.

If that’s the case, I wouldn’t assume folks aren’t being overly dramatic then :sweat_smile:

Plenty of us have agreed with changing at least some of the names. The disagreement you responded to comes from other, less savoury statements.

Pretty sure blowing folks up with a rocket car came first.

Even though that comment may be “less savory”, I wouldn’t call it an attack on the devs. They are voicing their options on map monsters.

I’m late to the party here. It’s possible some attacking words were spoken and the moderators got to them first before I saw them.

Those were cheats, not part of the actual gameplay. Apples =! Oranges

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Assassin’s order would be unironically cool though

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Oh, I wasn’t describing any opinion on the map monsters as unsavoury. That’s just preference.

Pretty sure by definition the rocket car affected gameplay. Certainly more than an optional biome nobody forced you to use.

I get you don’t like the ahistorical elements, but in my opinion so long as they’re minor enough to not make players engage with them, that’s fine by me. Very similar to cheats.

I don’t even…

BTW, I have more variation civ names:

Delhi Sultanate → Genie in a battle

Call me Relic, I have ideas.

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A cosmetic biome is bad because it was a part of “actual gameplay”, but cheats are not because they’re . . . not a part of actual gameplay?

You brought up the two map monsters and single fantasy biome we’ve gotten in two years, I figure you’re the one who needs to explain your position better.

Don’t get me wrong, I think some of the variant names should be changed. I just find it funny that cheats are acceptably ahistorical, when the three minor time-limited things the devs have added to the game somehow break all semblance of sense for you.

(for the variants, I’m reserving judgement on Jeanne until whoever holds the marketing schedule deigns to let us know more, but I think the Sultan’s Army and Empire of Jade should both be updated)

You have no chance of getting any cheat unit in the game if you use the random option on everything, unless you get out of your way to type the cheat code.
The cheat unit does not appear on your selection list.
You don’t need to manually avoid cheat units to prevent it from appearing.

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I have actually started to think that “empire of jade” is fitting name.

Been reading and watching some stuff and it seems jade as gemstone has been part of chinese culture for insanely long time ago and “empire of jade” describes chinese very well with high value considering how valued “jade” itself was for chinese ppl.

Is it historically used term? Probably not, but when considering the meaning of name and if it implies to jade gemstone as part of chinse history I think its very fitting. Considering the spearmen had spears made out of jade?

Unless someone else uses them, of course. The only way to truly avoid anything like that is to, well, “manually avoid” it, like you said. I don’t really see the difference.

I personally preferred mega-priests. Cars were fun, but the splash damage combined with the pathing wasn’t a very helpful combo. Priest wars on the other hand . . . often hilarious.

I can see how it fits, but it also applies to China generally. So it doesn’t really differentiate anything, imo.

Unlike the Order of the Dragon or someone famous like Joan of Arc.

The whole thing you quoted is difference and you don’t really see the difference.

Wow give discussion a chance.

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I think the Empire of Rice is an even more fitting name.

You don’t need to do any reading to find out rice is a very important part of Chinese cuisine.

Coming up next:
England: Kingdom of Wool
Ottomans: Empire of Kebab
Malians: The Army of the Rich Guy
Byzantines: The Purple Empire
Rus: The Confederacy of Vodka
Mongols: The Ger Residents
Japanese: The Fish Eaters

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I mean, you’re not explaining it. The jabs (as usual) don’t help either.

He chose to die on that hill. Leave him be.

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It’s not my fault you can’t explain yourself properly. Either of you. But yeah, I’d prefer if I’d I were left alone too, cheers!

This post is completely in-tone with both the replies to it, and the replies that preceded it.

Right. That’s the way I see it too. There may be fitting names, but problematic nonetheless.

I could be calling the Incas the “El Dorado people”, the Mexicans the “enchilada civilization” and the americans “people’s gun army”. Even if those things identify a region, civ or empire, you have to thread carefully.

There are so many great names in history you can fall back on, I am baffled Relic/MSFT went for this seemingly ChatGPT made up nonsense. Heck, the worse may be Abbasid having sultans. Not even a quick Google search was done.

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