Don’t tell me, you think that AoEII went into the 1600s because of a couple of historical battles? That’s why the best handguns you have access in that game are the Handcannons, a weapon that became irrelevant in Europe by the XVIIth century. It didn’t “reach” the 1600s, they put a couple of historical battles in the game so that they would have Koreans represented in a historical setting, since they trashed their campaign.
Yeah but it was more to illustrate the sheer amount of people in the empire which has possibility of representation.
Ofcourse civs like France and Danes are better for own civs, but merely the possibility is there.
And Aragon is somehow?
I agree that hre makes sense because it’s both a political entity and an umbrella, it seems the civs in aoe4 are all political entities, even like French and English are considered cultures, they are also political entities, and since it seems that’s how it works it makes sense to do hre over parts of the HRE.
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Spain on itself and the conquest of the new world for the Spanish themselfs against Aztecs and maya makes the game go atleast into the 1550s and maybe beyond even with civs like Inca.
That just makes the timeline lasting to that. The earliest civs are like the celts and huns, huns didnt exist anymore into the 700s, so just because only 2-3 civs started from around 400 500 you say the timeline doesnt count from that point but from the point every civ present started to exist?
How would you define the timeline? Different people groups lived in different times.
HRE is a political structure and entity tho…
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So it’s no longer the 1600s, but the 1550s. Got it.
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To the point I am making that isnt an important detail if its 1572 or 1600 exact. And I was purely speaking about the beginnig of the Spanish conquest of the new world thats in AoE II.
Korean campaign goes into 1598, those 2-3 years really dont matter to the point.
So you say AoE II timeline ends where? What is the deciding factor?
Where ends AoE IV timeline according to you?
Silesians yes, Polish no.
It is worth noting that the Silesians are a separate nation, just like the Kashubians.
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I am pretty sure there were Polish communities in Silesia and brandenburg/Prussia within the HRE. Also isnt Silesian a language but not a ethnicity? Or is it also an ethnicity?
Polish communities were certainly in Silesia - and not only there. HRE is not suitable for representing Poland for a simple reason - Poland never belonged to HRE and was culturally distinct. Even today, we can see many common features in the former HRE countries (Germany, Austria, the Czech Republic, the Netherlands or Belgium). Even northern Italy has a German influence in its culture. Simply HRE had its own specific culture.
Silesians are a nation. They have their own language and are a separate ethnic group. It is similar with the Kashubians (the last Polabian Slavs). Unfortunately, in Poland, Silesians and Kashubians are treated as ethnographic groups. Thus, they are treated not as separate nations, but as people from ethnographic open-air museums. In my opinion, disregarding their individuality may end unfavorably for the Republic of Poland, but it is simply the fault of the unfounded fear of “national rebirth” among Silesians and Kashubians.
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Hey I like to do mass conversions of the entire map with these guys
When Spain conquered Aztecs and Incas there was no Aragon or Castile, just Spain. But people say Spain is too broad a term for this game. So both are required
I still can’t believe there are no byzantines, so my vote goes there without a doubt. Also, vikings should be a must: norwegian feel more “pure viking”, but the danes would fit perfectly for a cool Britannia invasion campaign, so any of those would do for me.
As an extra option (have not voted it because it feels kinda difficult to put together) I would love to see Venetia or some italian kingdom.
HRE and it seems it will not be separate
Something that lasted 20 years?
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It was still never united, or part of Spain.
In fact, it was because the Phillips were so keen in making it part of Spain, that they ultimately lost it forever.
Portugals cultural identity is basically “we are not Spain”.
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“The Iberian Union was the dynastic union of the Kingdom of Spain and the Kingdom of Portugal under the Spanish Crown that existed between 1580 and 1640, and which brought the entire Iberian Peninsula, as well as Portuguese overseas possessions, under the Spanish Habsburg kings Philip II, Philip III and Philip IV.”
How is this not united? They were in union, had the same monarch and were both belonging to the Spanish Crown. You do know what the definition of united is right?
Do you believe Germany isnt united now?
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It was 2 crowns under the same king, but Spanish authorities had no actual rule or legitimacy on Portuguese lands, which was precisely the point of the Treaty of Tordesillas.
The Spansih tried everything to overule Portuguese authority and culture, and that is precisely why the Union did not hold.
It did not become all the same country, no matter how much the Phillips wanted it to. Also, Phillip IV of Spain, was never even recognized in Portugal, Phillip III lost it before his heir could even truly lay claim.
Portugal NEVER belonged to the Spanish Crown, the Spanish king just had 2 Crowns. Their goals were certainly to make it all 1 Crown, but it could never work out, since Portugal has a very different culture.
What you are saying is akin to implying that Italy was Germany, under the HRE, which would be a cultural mistake, to say the least.
Historically, Portugal always had to contend with the ambition of it’s larger hostile neighbour, and therefore the Portuguese culture, out of spite, evolved to be as different to Spanish culture as possible.
By the way, Spain is not united, it is actually bursting at the seams, with legion of seperatist movements.
Go to Spain (I lived there for 7 years) and in every province people will tell you that Spain is not real, it is just Castillian imperialism, but the state is a federation, and there is no Spanish civilization (their words, not mine).
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I doubt we will have Unions
I think both of these are too late as well.
No umbrellas
I am unsure if Rus’ will represent them along the line but I’m unsure.
I was looking for something but I don’t want an umbrella and most of Ireland became English occupied in the time period