The Portuguese never used Organ Guns. They only get that as an UU in AoE2 because they got it in AoE3 as well. And supposedly they only got that as an UU in AoE3 because Italians had been cut out. Realistically Organ Guns would be a generic/regional unit for European civs. Elephant Archers got slammed for being a unique unit, so I don’t understand why Organ Guns get a free pass.
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I’d be open to them getting something else like the Aventureiros, but mostly because I don’t like any of the unique units that are siege workshop type units.
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The History page of Portugal UU:
An organ gun, most commonly known as a ribauldequin or rabauld, was a Renaissance-era volley gun with many small-caliber iron barrels set up parallel on a wooden platform, in use during the 14th and 15th centuries. When the gun fired in a volley, it created a shower of iron shot, serving mostly as an anti-personnel gun. The name “organ gun” referred to the artillery’s resemblance to a pipe organ, a well-known musical instrument.
The first known ribauldequin was used by the army of Edward III of England in 1339 in France during the Hundred Years’ War. Nine-barreled ribaults were used by Milan and other participants in the Italian Wars (1494-1559).
Wow so much Portugal in that. So Unique.
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Genitour should be then the regional unit for Iberian civs as they used it against Arabian aggression.
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I think as they are now they’re very Berber-ish outside of the name. They could simply rename the unit.
I wouldn’t mind if they then added a unit that better fits the name, but some people might find it confusing.
Elephant Archers got slammed for being a unique unit, so I don’t understand why Organ Guns get a free pass.
Iirc, at the time the fietoria mess was in full swing and civ got nerfed to the point no one ever got to its UU. Either way, what would organ guns as a regional unit displace? Some kind of gunpowder alt for the mangonel, like NoB is in aoe4? Or just a straight up addition to the siege roster?
It definitely should not. Make the Organ Gun a regional unit and give something truly unique that represents Portugal. Like hot blooded “Fidalgos” with montantes, fighting for gold and glory that were at the forefront of the Portuguese expansion, breach loading canons, that the chinese copied, or even Portuguese Arquebusiers that stood by Ethiopia. Something that represents Portugal unique history.
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I hope they rework more areas of the game like they are doing with China and Korea now.
A Western European rework would have some great potential.
Make Organ Guns, Genitour and Mounted Crossbowman regional units for Western European civs. And I count Spanish, Portuguese and maybe even Italians and Berbers as Western European here too on top of the civs with the actual Western European architecture.
The region doesn’t need additional civs though.
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I agree, in lieu of more European civs, reworks would be cool. I’d love for all civs to get Savar-like upgrade to certain units; lance wielding paladin for the Franks, Varangian guard champion for the Byzantines etc.
Some people don’t want more variation in the factions, but I’d love to see it.
I don’t think I’ve seen a mounted crossbowman in a game. Does it have historical precedence?
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Yes. Europeans used them rather commonly. Notable mounted crossbowmen were the Stradioti of Albania.
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And apparently Arabs too.
From here. For those who like it, this site has countless illustrations of war from various regions.
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Cool, thanks for the info! I’m surprised we haven’t seen a unit like this yet.
So many interesting real weapon systems to draw from and somehow we got throwing scimitars before that…
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Yes Portugal used a lot at morocco.
How would it be different from HCs and Janissaries?
looks like it has metal armor so its the tanky HC variant?
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For example yeah. Its a good idea.
It could also be an infantry based gunpowder unit instead of an archer which could be interesting to shake up counterplay
We’ve had archers that can switch to melee, a gunpowder unit that can switch to a sword could be a new addition.
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Won’t the Firelancer be a melee gunpowder unit?
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