Possible new way of playing with the Incas?

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Yes, you’re right, but in the end, handling silver, gold and copper is still metallurgy, although it is not mentioned, many tools and utensils were made of these materials, and yes, although gold compared to other metals is not resistant, it is necessary to mention that they used it in battle.

Edit: I have read more about it and there are indications that the upon the European arrival, the use of bronze was beginning to spread, but, as you mentioned, they did not use it in battle, even though they were already forging axes of this material, they considered it decorative , otherwise with the Incas, who even made copper and bronze helmets for their high commands

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They mentioned conversion ability for the Incas, and I fear this may break the balance somehow…
I mean, conversion does exist in previous games, but every faction has access to it (except AoE Macedonians I guess). However when only one faction has it, and considering the fact that single units may be more valuable in AoE3 than previous games, I wonder how they might balance it this time.
They introduce the Chinese civilization to AoM as the only faction with conversion, but as the whole DLC is poorly balanced, I cannot assess its impact. Can anyone familiar with the Tales of Dragon expansion explain whether conversion is a thing for the Chinese?

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No, conversions take a long time and most of the combat in this game is bat range, so it is easy to snipe the priestesses.

At most, they will be useful against Heavy Cavalry and Elephant units, sometimes Artillery.

It is, but it almost never gets played, and only worth irt for a few Myth units. Mass Archers and Siege make Conversion weak, and it is not worth converting Human units in AoM.

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They should not be wonders, but typical constructions, or constructions of the game imitating typical architectures. The largest building, further on, is certainly a fortress (Pukara), as it mimics the construction of the top of the Temple-Fortress of Cuzco, Sachsayhuamán. It would have three turrets, a larger circular one, and two squares around it. They did two more ago, but remember a lot how Sachsayhuamán would be from the front. The building on the right is reminiscent of the architectural way in which the Inca’s rooms were exposed in an illustration from the book by Felipe Guaman Poma de Ayala, but due to the type of structure used for other civilizations, it may be a barracks. The building behind the fortress, well, has portals decorated with gold, which refers to importance and connection with the nobility, but I cannot identify anything in it. Few buildings had more than one floor (Sachsayhuaman with its turrets, for example), some large food stores (Colqas) had two or three floors, but I don’t think they would give gold gates to a food store. A type of building that may have noble architecture and is it lacking there? Perhaps a Yachay Huasi (house of wisdom, a school, only nobles were entitled to go to school), but it does not remind me of the shapes of the buildings suspected of being yachay huasi. Anyway, I found this construction quite mysterious. It can also be a temple, because temples had many shapes and there is the presence of Chakana, the cross of the Andes, which represents the constellation of the southern cross, one of the most important in the southern hemisphere, and was a sacred symbol for the tiwanaku and the Incas, used as a mnemonic symbol even to remember the basis of the Inca moral code: Ama Sua, Ama Lulla, Ama Qella (don’t be lazy, don’t be a thief and don’t be a liar).
Almost everything is right and accurate with the forms of Inca architecture, which I see, even the trade ferries in the Pacific are perfect, but only the canchas (those almost identical buildings, backwards, to the left), which are walled places for habitation from several families (like Inca condominiums, where several related nuclear families lived … grandparents’ house, family house for their children’s), which has all thatched roofs, as was done in the mountains, and a flat roof construction as it only used to be done on the coast, and the coastal architecture was not mixed with mountain architecture, it was impractical! Mountain rains would erode a flat roof construction, frequent earthquakes would cause landslides to break everything inside, it would be difficult to rebuild, where it snowed, snow would accumulate on the flat slate and bring it down … Thatched roofs on the coast they were not good because of the lack of straw, because flat roofs could easily be made with wooden frames and wicker mats or together covered in clay and painted, as in the town of Tambo Colorado.

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Almost all the metallic objects found in Machu Picchu were made of tin bronze. The Incas produced tin bronze of excellent quality, and also produced objects of arsenic copper. In the Inca era, regular troops did not use stone weapons, the Spaniards mention the use of bronze and copper (the Incas made arsenic copper for weapons, which is almost as hard as bronze and is durable, without the oxidation of normal copper. It was this is common for the peoples of the north coast, since tin mines were in bolivia and argentina, and it was more expensive to obtain by trade. The Moche and Chimu used this type of material a lot, although in the chimu period, and even earlier tin bronze has become very common on the spot). Usually the stone weapons were just sling stones and boleade balls. Darts for launch and arrows had bone or copper tips normally. These, like stone maces, were weapons of the poor warriors, of non-regular troops.Axes, spears, pikes, halberds and maces of war with star points, some with one of the points of the star in the shape of an ax, were made of bronze, when much of arsenic copper, as huactanas were cudgels of heavy wood, as iron stick heated over low heat (which was as heavy as a cannonball), full of bronze thorns.

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Without a doubt I knew that the Inca metallurgy was amazing, but I had no idea that it had the quality you mention, I will read more about it because it is something extremely interesting.

According to what has been mentioned in the gameplays, one of the Inca bow units shoots incendiary arrows covered with copper pyrites that give them a very particular tone.

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This is actually not true either. Low rank soldiers and immediate conscripts were given stone weapons by the state, and the Incas did have stone-made weapons in their armouries too.

It may have been less common, and the elite (permanent/professional) troops would most often have Copper weapons (Bronze was more for officers), but they did have stone weapons.

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My friend, I have already read in the chronicles about incendiary arrows, I did not know that they had copper pyrites, but there is a very precise description of slings that threw incandescent stones that were quickly covered with pitch and caught fire when the spinning of the slings started in the air! They were used to burn the roofs of houses in the sieges of cities. In this illustration in the book by Felipe Guaman Poma de Ayala, Inca warriors with their helms and insignia are shown making a shot with incendiary slings, but in a commemorative way, on account of the Coia Raimi festival (Queen’s party, dedicated to the moon Mama Qilla ). There were a lot more cool guns too. The Andes Arch was a huge simple arch with good Amazon wood and a rope system, supported on a wooden base, operated by several warriors, who could throw a spear-sized dart, with a copper tip in a row of whole soldiers, piercing it.: http://www5.kb.dk/permalink/2006/poma/254/en/text/

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These did not belong to the regular troops. Usually they were warriors recruited for the campaigns, received slings, boleade or darts, protection for the trunk and head, footwear, a wooden shield with leather and a club as a secondary weapon. Regular Inca troops received thorough training and weapons of good quality.

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They were still likely the biggest unist in the army, when it fully rallied.

I know permanent troops had metallic (Copper) weapons and helmets, but that still does not disqualify the stone-made and carved wood weapons that conscripts used in the Inca empire.

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Some Andean weapons, most of them just before the Inca era!









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Friend, this is due to the view that the Incas were conquered out of nowhere in 1532 by a small group of Spaniards! In fact, the Incas gradually fell, having won some wars and several skirmishes against the Spanish, having many provinces of the empire that varied between the control of the Incas and the Spaniards until 1575, when the Incas were confined to a tiny border state with the Amazon, in the capital of Wilkabamba, and Viceroy Francisco de Toledo manages to capture the last Inca emperor. It was decades of struggle against the Spaniards! The Incas in Wilkabamba had deserty Spanish blacksmiths, produced firearms, trained some horses, some nobles wore ruffled Spanish shirts under their traditional clothing as a new fashion, there was a Christian church in Wilkabamba for the Incas who had converted to the Christianity! The Inca empire was very important to enrich Spain, to start the movement of pirates in the Caribbean, all after the Inca gold that Spanish ships carried. A Portuguese named Aleixo Garcia invaded frontier villages in the Inca empire and stole gold from there, guiding a Guarani army long before the Spaniards arrived. And Andean leaders like Gabriel Condorcanqui Tupac Amaru, descendant of the Inca emperors, brought the Andean peoples together in revolts against the Spanish crown! This is a story from the Americas that needs to be told! Because of the conquest of the Incas, there were many wars in the Andes, sea battles in the Caribbean, explorations of the Portuguese in the interior of Brazil. What did the Swedes do in the Americas? Some villages around the USA? A small colony that did not interfere in the fate of other countries?
The Italians, without colonies, influenced the destinies of the local countries much more, with their colonists, and being present in much of the initial expeditions of the 16th century than the Swedes would ever do. But it was okay to add them, they were an important European power and, indirectly, like the Ottoman Turks, they had an importance in the colonization of the Americas, and they were something important for the relationship with some of the other civilizations. If they had added the Persians, for example, it would have been more useful. it would be a civilization that could have relations with Ottomans, Russians, Indians and Chinese, had conflict with the Portuguese, who created in their explorations a colony in the Persian Gulf, had the history of Tamerlão, which influenced all the dynamics of trade of the time. It would be something that would unite the civilizations of the game much more in possibilities of real conflicts, and would give variability. No African civilization was mentioned, either, but this is probably due to the fear of touching the subject of slavery even slightly. AOE III is a game that almost always tries to show the colonization of the Americas in the campaigns as a much more pleasant scenario than it really was, so as not to generate talk in the USA, and to leave the whole story as a basis for the “Manifest Destiny” of USA. It’s the most wonderful game in the world, but the campaigns are a play on the politically correct and a Mac Donalds campaign! I hope they improve a little with the reformulation and with influences of ideas from WOL and King´s Return.

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Sorry, the Wilkabamba Incas fell in 1573, not 1575.

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The Inca-Spain war was a long and bloody process that lasted 40 years with approximately 100 battles. Although the last Inca was Tupac Amaru I (who was assassinated against the will of King Felipe II of Spain) it is known that the majority of the Inca nobility was sent to Spain where many were given the titles of nobles and knight, even the current “Marquis of Santiago de Oropesa” of Spain is carried by some of the current descendants of Manco Inca Yupanqui, another of his descendants was Tupac Amaru II (José Gabriel Condorcanqui) who promoted a rebellion against the reforms Bourbon and carried out one of the largest indigenous uprisings in America.
Unfortunately, many people to this day mistakenly believe that the Inca Empire fell with the Capture of Atahualpa in 1533 (who had not even been officially appointed emperor) when it was really only the beginning of the Inca-Spain hostilities.
It is really a long and fascinating story, but also a tragic one where the best and the worst of the human being are observed.
I hope that in the current conjuncture of the coronavirus pandemic, people understand the devastating effect diseases had on America during the Age of Discovery And thus understand the effort of the Inca Empire to overcome a series of pandemics that killed the majority of its population and still face the European conquest.

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I was always one of the first to request the Incas, their history is very important and indispensable in the AOE3 time period, so as you can see I am very happy haha

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