The civs weren’t so special, did you see lierey killing mbl playing like hoang 11
pick and winning rates 0, annoying strats 1.
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I’m basing it more then just on the finals though. the fact is that the tournament bracket was stacked in the top half and lackluster in the bottom half means nothing. any of those 3 players who didn’t make it out of the top (viper, yo, hera) could have made it out of the bottom.
Man. Of course tournament bracket was tilted to one-side for placing Top4 player in same side. But MbL deserve his place on bracket because he beat Yo in his group stage. And he win like 3-0 or 4-1 against every other players outside of Top4. He is not top but pretty sure like at least Top5 in the world.
Final is just one example, there are not many civ win in the tournament and many civs are already used in BO5. I personally think only Koreans need some significant buff and some minor buff to other bottom-tier civ, it would be Okay.
oh i’m not disagreeing. this type of stuff happens all the time in tournaments. there is no perfect formula. my point was though, that despite Soumexican’s claims, i wasn’t just basing it off the finals, you never base balance off one series or one match, you need more data. i was looking at the tournament as a whole (and ladder).
Before talking about any balance changes, maybe we should first agree on which setting we are focusing on. 1v1 Arabia? Team game? Water map? I feel dev is focusing mostly on 1v1 arabia and work with that, while putting less emphasis on TG etc. If whatever we are proposing here does not match what dev is focusing on, none of those proposals are gonna pass through imo.
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Thats always been my assumption. 1v1 arabia. Most popular map played
While i see people arguing from TG angle or…who knows.
If those guys really hate those seemingly powerful civ bonuses, the ranked game should turn every civ into one singular “full tech” tree civ without any UU.
i can’t think of a single way to make the game more boring.
“But the game should be balanced under all settings and under all maps!” someone just says that at somewhere. 
I don’t have any particular balance ideas in mind but I feel the game is pretty ok right now.
not even SC2 the current most competitive RTS is equally balanced on all maps.
Hence those unreasonable nonsense balance demands are often from those people. I’m sick of those already. I prefer what current balance team is doing.
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It’s impossible to balance every civ on every map in all game settings. People who say such things just don’t understand the complexity of balancing. I agree with you and I also prefer what FE is doing right now.
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Imagine “free” Redemption for Portuguese. Hoang would love this idea. 
I totally agree, however it is reasonable that all the civs are balanced in a reference map. I mean, it may exist a map where everyone picks the same civ (mongols on valley, italians on islands, Aztecs on graveyard).
But on 1v1 Arabia, the game should be balanced, so that every civ can be pretty decent.
Actually this is very close to the current balanced, since there are just 4-5 underpowered civs (Turks, Italians, Koreans, Portuguese, maybe Bulgarians), and maybe a couple of civs a bit too powerful like Aztecs, and maybe Mayans, china, Khmer. Overall the balance needs just a small tuning.
Viper said in his last video “Portuguese will be meta”. And he was serious at this (actually, I remember he has said that previously).
Do you think he knows anything about the incoming changes or he was talking exclusively about the current Portuguese status? For instance, he explained that they are the only civ with discounter arbs+cav
I tend to ignore Viper statements because he is too good and speaks generally good things about every civ or unit (like elephant archers), but in this case, I have my doubts.
Viper said “turks are fine” after beating a 2k player (that’s not even top 100). I don’t trust him since he’s too good to have an opinion. I would like him to beat Hera, Yo o Lierrey with portuguese, or Bulgarians or turks. That would prove his point
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I would like to see some kind of bonus to porto halbs, instead of giving them squires. Perhaps extra hp to make their halbs tankier, a bit similar to vikings but who cares. That, together with a buff to organ guns could give some unique playstyle to portos.
Apparently Nili said that Cavalry Archers will be buffed and Vikings will be nerfed
is there any date for the update? or is it just “november”?
Probably around the same day as 2DE was released