From 2.5% to 3% is from 28% to 34.4% and if it’s 3.5% is 41%; personally i think also that 2.5% was too much nerf, not even ranged units reach their previous attack, so at least should be 3%, but don’t know if it should be higher
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The missionary aura is a lot larger now though so it’s easier to have all the missionaries effecting all units with less micro.
It is absurd that Spain is a melee civ when it has never been historically.
It’s the only European melee civ and it’s not in the meta, just the halberdiers ff and it is not valid for 2vs2.
The changes that I like the most are that Spain has access to soldiers, peninsular guerrilla (not in the fourth age) and a liberation march.
I hope this removes the melee civ tag.
That will be a problem in treaty, being harder to shot missionaries
I’m glad that AoE 3 has finally touched on the theme of the Spanish war of independence (what in English is known as “Peninsular War”); I like that they are developing the civilizations with better historical expertise.
I understand that Spanish nationalism was born from the war against Napoleon and I hope that one day a DLC will be made that focuses on the Napoleonic wars, so this gives me a lot of hope.
As a personal advice, I would have found it interesting to add more cards related to the Inca and Aztec Empires; It is known that many nobles from these empires were sent to Spain and given knightly and noble titles (I don’t want to discuss the controversy between the black legend and the pink legend).
Perhaps this character will be of interest to you: Dionisio Inca Yupanqui.
He was a Lieutenant Colonel, a descendant of Huayna Cápac and bearer of the title of the Marquis of Oropesa, which is why he is related to Tupac Amaru II and Rodrigo de Borja (Pope Alexander VI, yes, the character seen in Assasin Creed II ). He fought against the British in the Pacific Ocean and the Mediterranean Sea, he would later fight Napoleon in the Peninsular War, making him the only Native American I know of who may have been involved in the Napoleonic Wars.
He was elected substitute deputy of the Cortes de Cádiz gathered during the prison of Fernando VII in December 1810, representing the Viceroyalty of Peru. In that space he gives a fiery speech before them in his condition of “Inca, Indio (native american) and American”, calling for an end to the mistreatment, discrimination and inequality suffered by American Indians in Spanish possessions, stating that “Un pueblo que oprime a otro no puede ser libre” (“A people that oppresses another cannot be free”). He asks that equality with the Indians be proclaimed, in accordance with evangelical principles, stating that the misfortunes suffered by Spain due to the French occupation are a kind of divine punishment for the injustices that it is committing in America. From this speech Karl Marx would take the phrase “A people that oppresses another cannot be free”.
No he venido a ser uno de los individuos que componen este cuerpo moral de V.M. para lisonjearle, para consumar la ruina de la gloriosa y atribulada España, ni para sancionar la esclavitud de la virtuosa América, He venido sí, a decir a V.M. con el respeto que debo y con el decoro que profeso, verdades amarguísimas y terribles si V.M. las desestima; consoladoras y llenas de salud, si las aprecia y las ejercita en beneficio de su pueblo. No haré, Señor, alarde ni ostentación de mi conciencia; pero sí diré que reprobando esos principios arbitrarios de alta y baja política, empleados por el despotismo, solo sigo los recomendados por el Evangelio que V.M. y yo profesamos. Me prometo, fundado en los principios de equidad que V.M. tiene adoptados, que no querrá hacer propio suyo este pecado gravísimo de notoria y antigua injusticia en que han caído todos los gobiernos anteriores: pecado que en mi juicio es la primera o quizá la única causa porque la mano poderosa de un Dios irritado pesa tan gravemente sobre este pueblo nobilísimo, digno de mejor fortuna. Señor, la justicia divina protege a los humildes, y me atrevo a asegurar a V.M., sin hallarme ilustrado por el espíritu de Dios, que no acertará a dar un paso seguro en la libertad de la Patria mientras no se ocupe con todo esmero y diligencia en llenar sus obligaciones con las Américas: V.M. no las conoce. La mayor parte de sus diputados y de la Nación apenas tienen noticia de ese dilatado continente. Los gobiernos anteriores le han considerado poco, y solo han procurado asegurar las remesas de este precioso metal, origen de tanta inhumanidad, del que no han sabido aprovecharse. Le han abandonado al cuidado de hombres codiciosos e inmorales; y la indiferencia absoluta con que han mirado sus más sagradas relaciones con este país de delicias, ha llenado la medida de la paciencia del Padre de las misericordias, y forzándole a que derrame parte de la amargura con que se alimentan aquellos naturales sobres nuestras provincias europeas. Apenas queda tiempo ya para despertar del letargo y para abandonar los errores y preocupaciones hijas del orgullo y vanidad. Sacuda V.M. apresuradamente las envejecidas y odiosas rutinas, y bien penetrado de nuestras presentes calamidades son el resultado de tan larga época de delitos y prostituciones, no arroje de su seno la antorcha luminosa de la sabiduría, ni se prive del ejercicio de las virtudes. Un pueblo que oprime a otro no puede ser libre. V.M. toca con las manos esta terrible verdad. Napoleón, tirano de Europa, su esclava, apetece marcar con este sello a la generosa España. Esta, que lo resiste valerosamente, no advierte el dedo del Altísimo, ni conoce que se le castiga con la misma pena que por tres siglos hace sufrir a sus inocentes hermanos. Como Inca, Indio y Americano, ofrezco a la consideración de V.M. un cuadro sumamente instructivo. Dígnese hacer de él una comparada aplicación, y sacará consecuencias muy sabias e importantes. Señor, ¿resistirá V.M. á tan imperiosas verdades? ¿Será insensible a las ansiedades de sus súbditos europeos y americanos? ¿Cerrará V. M. ojos para no ver con tan brillantes luces el camino que aún le manifiesta el cielo para su salvación? No, no sucederá así; yo lo espero lleno de consuelo en los principios religiosos de V.M. y en la ilustrada política con que procura señalar y asegurar sus soberanas deliberaciones.
With nothing more to add, thanks again to the developers for the historical expertise.
PS: I don’t sympathize with Karl Marx, I only referenced him for historical concepts 
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many of the changes were good, but I think the unction did not affect artillery, it seems too excessive to me, it was the only bonus that Spain had in terms of artillery. On the other hand, the patch bugged the game which is really bad.
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Rework “Reconquista”: 1/5 to 2/5, now is useless.
I also miss some shipment/card of aztecs/incas.
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A Conquistador is 85 food and 70 wood if you ally with jesuits.
The card can thus read:
for every 400 ressources you loose on the battlefield, get 115 back in the form of a dragoon unit, until this shipment ships 1150 ressources.
This means that you get roughly 30% back on the cost of your first 50 archaic units.
This is insane value for an age 2 card ! You get :
- a unit you want to have in age 2
- 1000+ ressources for an age 2 shipment, balanced at 700
- a perfect way to protect your mass of XBows because pikes die first anyway (poor man’s skirm-goon)
- A unit that can counter a falconet shipment because it’s a dragoon unit
All of this is yours if you commit to the XBow/Pike, a plan that is viable with the spanish (even if not meta)
Add the fact that peninsular wars gives you one of the strongest XBows in the entire game if you age up with the papal guard, and you get a nice, off-meta Archaic game plan.
The only thing I regret is the fact that these guys do not shadow-tech, but I guess it would be too strong.
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Good points, but 50 archaic units (dead) still seem too many to be a competitive card (especially in 1vs1 sup)
I would even prefer a reduction of the max. 10 conquerors in return
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Supongamos que pierdes 50 unidades 25 piqueros y 25 ballesteros (caso hipotético) cada uno vale 40 de madera y comida ahora multipliquemos 80 x 50= 4000 de recursos por dragones más débiles y con menos daño, la tengo en la baraja pero como meme xd
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I’ve been playing Spain since the rework, what the most I wanted was to use conquerors, I still haven’t been able to use the shipment…
At age 2 you can’t take advantage of it because there are usually no profitable prolonged battles with just bows, pikes and rods.
On an age 3 timed attack you would still have to lose all your shipments/created units of pikes, bows and rods (I still don’t know if church halberdiers count as archaic infantry as well), and you can’t afford lost of almost your entire army. so that the shipment has real value.
The FI of bows and pikes is not as strong as before as you have to pay the first upgrade cost, the send has synergy with the strategy but in age IV you have many strong cards.
In summary, the send at its best is a super strong card in age II, but it ends up being unfeasible to use it in an age II rush or an age III FF, it has no synergy with the timed aggressiveness of Spain, and in age IV or in the late game it is no longer as powerful.
2/5 max 8 conquerors would seem like a great card with real synergy
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con lo facil que hubiese sido un simple envio infinito de “x” conquistadores…
o quizas el envio de una embajada nativa con las tecnologias jesuitas, es increible que los españoles no lo tengan de base.
o quiza una carta que mande periodicamente de manera gratuita un conquistador cada minuto en la iglesia, no se, hay mil maneras de haberlo hecho y creo han escogido la forma mas vaga e improvable que se les ha ocurrido en la cabeza
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Totally agree, the most rare and strange form, they deserved a more common use.
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La embajada nativa hubiera sido genial y habria permitido el uso de estrategias nativas, que tambien lo merecían así como Francia, para haber algo mas de variedad en rushes nativos aparte de Inca.
I agree, this is not a card you will send early age 2. But if you force your enemy to stay age 2 by being super agressive, you can get this card, and then the new cheap age up card.
Also, note that 10 bad dragoons is still way better than a 5 dragoons card, that a few civilizations can send in age 3. So it also a super good age 3 card.
two for five would be a whopping 60% cashback on Xbow/pike, and I think it would be too oppressive, because spain has cheap shipments. However, 1/5 with a shadow tech gives you a 10 shadowteched goons later in the game, and that would be awesome… but maybe too strong !
@Nevonidas I think that you and I try to make the card better in every situation, but the thing is, by doing so, we may create a monster out of Xbow/pike spain 
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podría ser colega, pero no soy del tipo que no se arriesga demasiado sacrificar 50 soldados por 10 dragones con 180 de hp y 19 de daño a distancia a mi no me va xd
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Pues aparentemente le gustó en principio, aunque creo que a medida lo vaya probando se va a ir frustrando también.
I think the unction rework is probably not so bad and deserves some time to try it out before we make our final opinions over it.
However I am very concerned with the Spanish Gold card. It was once one of the defining cards of the civ, and now I think it has been reduced to junk filler status with no place in most decks.
I support the proposal made in another thread to buff the first shipment up to 500 gold and then let the remaining shipments be of only 300 coin. Remember Spanish have no 1,000 gold card, and Spanish Gold was always meant to be the greedy long term tradeoff the civ had of greater later benefits in exchange for a lower early reward. Also consider that early resources hit harder than equally large later ones, so in reality Spanish would still be receiving ever less bang for their buck with each new shipment arrival.
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Is true 2/5 is to much opressive, and 1/3 probably too.
1/5 to 1/4 would be better
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Yes, at least it gets out of the stereotype of archaic civ and already gets a little into the nineteenth century with those soldiers and guerrillas…
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