and see the new crusader dlc logo? it has forgotten empires logo, no logo of relic anywhere, and it has world ege
i wonder why?
relic went to dawn of war and focus coh3 their own games, aoe4 isnt theirs
oh and forgotten empires dev responded in aoe4 threads, did u miss that huh?
look just admit ur a Relic fanboy, you can go back to Dawn of war or play COH3 that dying game
@محاربوالسلالةال Hey there! Please refrain from attacking other forum members just for the sake of attacking. 
As for the posts:
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/aoe4/comments/1bpq3je/comment/kwxmobg/
I think it’s more than fair to assume that Relic has reduced its involvement on AoE 4, given that FE in the past hired people specifically for AoE 4:
The only Relic staff I also see on the official Discord is ZeroEmpires. There used to be more than just him.
My assumption is that Relic still supports AoE 4 in engine-related aspects, given that Essence Engine is their property and the main dev work as in balance changes, designing maps etc has been slightly shifted over to FE.
World’s Edge btw is just a publishing and managing studio that does little to no dev work themselves.
Yep but World Edge Logo and Forgotten Empires also on the DLC page they made, so they did it together
Next DLC Relic isnt involved as you can tell no more Relic Logo from what i show earlier
So yep they depart from aoe4, and only for maintenace and engine tweaks atm
and zeroempire hasnt commented in aoe4 sub for like a year now, its safe to say hes gone for good
as they need everything to Focus Dawn of War
You would assume someone coming in here calling multiple people dumb would at least do a minimum of research. This is pretty much public information and it’s been confirmed on Reddit by the devs themselves (ZeroEmpires) in the beginning of 2024.
I see. So you have no idea what you’re talking about. Forgotten Empires and World’s Edge have always been involved, mostly with balance testing and management respectively, but Relic is the developer of Sultans Ascend. Their involvement with current development started being debated during this past year, after Relic got ditched by SEGA and they had to downsize. Don’t ask me for proof, with your superior intellect I’m sure you can do it yourself.
EDIT: Nvm, FloosWorld did it for you.
I think it’s fair to assume that, but we still don’t know if Forgotten Empires picked up everything. We have no information, only assumptions for now, and remember people were doubting Relic’s involvement in the past as well due to the same lack of transparency, which prompted ZeroEmpires to confirm it. They were saying Relic only developed the main game. It might be that Relic still has 5 people working on AoE4, or maybe they’re only offering consulting services on their engine every now and then.
Afaik, Relic ditched all their community managers a long time ago, and it’s only been ZeroEmpires ever since, but they were still working on AoE4.
So yeah, I wish we knew more. There’s a high chance Relic is completely out, but we don’t know what’s happening behind the scenes. It might also be that the particular concept art was made by a Forgotten Empires dev, which is why it has the logo. Or maybe Forgotten does the variants, and Relic does the civs. Without more information, or a clear confirmation, we can only make assumptions.
I also think it’s weird not knowing who’s involved with a game, but I guess if there’s anything we dislike about it we can just blame Microsoft. 
i mean how can relic work on aoe4 no more when they got coh3 and the new dawn of war and the other game they are working on
i sent zero empires a dm, but he didnt respond back and its been days
its safe to assume they are gone forever
i mean they barely and almost never talk to the community, normal ppl dont even know they help make aoe4
and forgotten empires can definitely make DLCs, they are a modding group who makes faction and such for older aoe games, then hired by microsoft into a studio
He doesn’t reply to DMs. I’ve sent him one on Discord a while back.
Edit to clarify, as some people are quick to talk shit about others: He went online on the AoE4 Discord some months ago during the rumors of “Relic left development” spread by some tournament mods (and before DLC had been announced), so I sent a polite PM letting him know and saying it might be worth it they confirmed to the community whether they’re still working on the game.
It makes sense that he wouldn’t. He’s an employee of Relic, not a spokesperson for them. Curiosity about who is running the show notwithstanding, there’s a breach of privacy when tracking down individual people who have shared their employment with the company and hounding them for information on that company’s status.
Better to be a fan than a fanatic. If Relic wants to share that they will, and honestly should, but we shouldn’t be contacting random employees for this kind of information.
Yes but he never responded back did he?
then yeah all the best to relic thanks for all the work they for us, hope coh3 works out for them (not)
cuz its set in italy and just boring same old desert . no japanese faction, no chinese nothing.
same old usa uk vs german no soviet either
if you check the reddit profile of zero empires he actually used that as his work reddit and always comment on games he played lmao
Check out the dlcs they made for aom, if you think relic did all that bad news for u, relic is not involved at all in AOM.
and Forgotten Empires 100% can make new models, and dlcs with just world edges help
Here is Proof Forgotten Empires can make DLCs for age games btw
just look at their latest AOM dlcs, so much high quality models ,even better than aoe4
Its the Chinese DLC
https://www.reddit.com/r/AgeofMythology/comments/1ihowic/new_details_on_chinese_pantheon/
Eh? It’s common knowledge that Relic isn’t involved in AoM given they don’t work with Bang Engine.
Yes but after you check their latest teasers on AOM DLCs, this shows they are fully capable of making AOE4 DLCs without Relics help Floos
many ppl on this forum insists that Relic did everything if you read previous comments for AOE4
and that Forgotten Empires is for balance only lmao
Well because that’s true for the base game and for Sultans Ascend. For the next DLC we don’t know yet. But Sultans Ascend is their design, and FE only did balance and maps, as confirmed by ZeroEmpires. Unless ofc you don’t believe him.
They absolutely can. It’s just that they’re not experts in the Essence engine, which is Relic’s engine.
I got bad news for you, i asked on Reddit and ppl have shown me Proof Relic did not did everything for Sultans Ascend
Here are proof
https://www.artstation.com/sperasoft/albums/10513944
Relic outsource these guys similar to Forgotten Empires and they make the models and such for Relic, which Forgotten Empires can easily do the same, and this studio didnt just do DLC, they did alot of stuff for base building as well
From the posts they’ve put up, they never made a Limitanei Castle age model, which is why it’s a blurry mess in-game.
^ Seems it was a collab. ZeroEmpires did say in his post that “there have been other studios involved with outsourcing”.
What you just shared could also show that Relic can outsource a lot of stuff, so the fact they’re smaller might not necessarily mean they are no longer involved. It all depends on whether WE remade the contract with them after SEGA ditched them, because I believe the initial contract was with SEGA.
But yeah, no one denied that FE can do models. Just that they lack the expertise in Relic’s engine.
The discussion was about Relic being or not being involved any more. We still don’t know that. We might know more when the DLC drops. Let’s see if Relic’s logo will be on any of the released art, and if there’s gonna be any hint of them anywhere. Like here:
This just got announced on Relic’s official discord:
Earth vs Mars
Defend Earth from an overwhelming Martian invasion by creating hybrid super soldiers in a battle for the planet’s survival. Wishlist Earth vs Mars now — a new turn-based strategy Relic Labs style game from Relic Entertainment!
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Watch the trailer!
Unsure if this is their only project, but it is a new title they are working on. Entirely possible they are just going to focus efforts on new IP.
The whole article is worth a read, but these snippets seem to point in the same direction (that Relic will be maintaining its previous titles, but for the time being will be focusing all new effort on smaller indie style games):
Relic Entertainment, which is newly independent after spinning out of its previous owner Sega, is now charting a new course as an indie maker of real-time strategy games and smaller “adjacent” genres of games.
Relic has a great pedigree as an RTS company. It owns the Company of Heroes intellectual property, which was first created by Relic in 2006 with the first game. Company of Heroes 2 came out in 2013, and Company of Heroes 3 debuted in 2023.
Meanwhile, the Dawn of War/Space Marine IP is owned by Games Workshop. The past games are still catalog titles being sold by Relic. Dowdeswell said Games Workshop has been a strong supporter. And while Relic developed Age of Empires IV, that IP is owned by Microsoft.
The DLC and smaller games that it is publishing will help it build “new muscles” in terms of building games in a sustainable way, Dowdeswell said.
“The fact that we are releasing things out of the studio, updates to existing games and new stuff, plus controlled growth, is very positive for us,” Dowdeswell said.
Omg, if this is the levels Relic has dropped to, then maybe it’s for the better if they’re not involved with development anymore. This is really sad.
This is not true and you’ve taken time to post at least 5 times to defend this. Why make the sudden change in opinion?
I don’t get what the problem is with the game they’ve announced?
