Replace Object effect is bugged: HP no longer scale

Legaran · April 16, 2023, 7:52pm

GAME INFORMATION

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*** GAME BUILD #: Version 101.102.15522.0 (#81058) 10944061**
*** GAME PLATFORM: Steam**
*** OPERATING SYSTEM: Windows 10**

ISSUE EXPERIENCED

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When using the “replace object” trigger effect to replace one object with another, the object’s current HPs no longer scale in relation to maximum HP as they used to. When replacing one unit with another, in most cases it will keep the same absolute number of HP as the old, instead of the same percentage of max HP as would happen earlier.

EXAMPLES:

Replacing a full health 30/30 HP Archer with a Knight will make it a damaged 30/100 HP Knight instead of a full health 100/100 HP Knight as intended.

Replacing a full health 100/100 HP Knight with an Archer will make it an overpowered 100/30 HP Archer instead of a full health 30/30 HP Archer as intended.

In some situations, units are affected differently. E.g., a unit being healed by a monk when it’s replaced will not keep more than the max HP of the new unit.

Buildings that get replaced won’t scale either, but they seem to never keep more HP than the max HP of the new object, unlike replaced units.

I’m currently polishing a scenario that makes heavy use of the Replace Object effect, but this new bug completely ruins it. I’ve spent endless hours making it, but I can’t publish it until this bug has been fixed.

FREQUENCY OF ISSUE

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100% of the time (ALWAYS)

REPRODUCTION STEPS

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Here’s the steps to reproduce the issue:

In Scenario Editor, place a unit
make a trigger with the Replace Object effect, which changes the unit to one with either higher or lower HP.
Test the scenario and notice the HP.

EXPECTED RESULT

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The new unit’s actual HP should be the same percentage in relation to its max HP as the old unit. E.g. units at half health should be replaced with new units at half health, as before update 81058.

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SupremeGold137 · April 17, 2023, 3:51am

Thank you for reporting this bug. The campaign scenario I published a while back has the same issue when the “Replace Object” effect is triggered. Hopefully it is fixed soon.

SirWiedreich · April 17, 2023, 7:58am

I was just about to report the same thing. Affects all units I’ve tried it with.

Same! They just barely fixed Modify Attribute (attack/armor) in time for the new generation of game-breaking bugs to make an appearance. Honestly this years-long game of Bug Whack-a-mole is as predictable as it is tiresome and absurd. You could set your watch to it. New patch, update or DLC → new batch of bugs that effs up all but the most rudimentary scenarios. Usually not fixed in less than 1-2 months, and almost always replaced by something equally bad.

I’ve said this for a couple years now, making sure the Scenario Editor features still work with each new update needs to be a wayyyyyy higher priority. This pattern of “Release shiny new thing: Fix bugs (much) later” just screws creators over month after month, again and again. Seriously, stop wasting our time.

Felizon89 · April 18, 2023, 12:54pm

The team is aware of this one.
Thanks for the report

MLC8896 · April 28, 2023, 8:20pm

I hoped that the last Hotfix 82587 would have fixed that bug, but apparently it didn’t, which is unfortunate.

Legaran · May 16, 2023, 9:28pm

The bug still lives on after the RoR update.
I don’t want to be negative, but I really wish that fixing known, scenario-breaking bugs like this would be prioritized.

Felizon89 · May 17, 2023, 8:46am

Sorry for the inconveniences, as you said, this isn’t fixed yet.

MLC8896 · June 1, 2023, 11:55am

Is there any ETA as to when this bug will be fixed? As even within the released road map of fixing the game for the whole summer isn’t even mentionning the bug, yet it cripples dramatically custom and official single player content.

Legaran · July 4, 2023, 12:55pm

I see from a bit of testing that this bug still lives on.

MLC8896, do you know which official scenarios are affected?
I haven’t tested them for this and only know about Montezuma 5 (The Boiling Lake).

MLC8896 · July 5, 2023, 3:36pm

A lot of custom campaigns, I can also think of a ROR Macedon scenario, where transports don’t get their HP. Basically all scenario involving replace object effect are basically affected.

The bug is still not fixed, I’m using a custom scenario of mine to check upon the bug, and it’s still there after June patch. Hopefully they’ll eventually switch manpower from getting Minecraft gimmicks in the game and actually fix bugs.

SirWiedreich · July 17, 2023, 5:38am

@Felizon89 Any updates or information on this? We’re digging into the 4th month since this bug was introduced, and not a whisper of anything actually being done about it. Just seems like bugs in most other areas of the game, no matter how minor, get pushed to the front of the line. Whatever the reasons for this, it’s incredibly shabby and endlessly frustrating to people who put so much effort into creating custom content.

I get the that Editor has always been a bit of a bumpy ride, but all this new stuff has been a disaster for the core functionality of the game.

MLC8896 · July 27, 2023, 9:03am

I don’t know if that is related to this bug, but I noticed something else lately:

Replaced units cannot garrison on their own, because the garrison button does not appear in their action menu. But if you select a replaced unit with a normally created unit, then the button does appear and you can garrison both.

Legaran · July 27, 2023, 5:29pm

I don’t see that bug when I try to reproduce it. Maybe it was fixed with today’s update?

The one with hp not scaling has still not been fixed though.

MLC8896 · July 28, 2023, 11:01am

I just checked today, and yes, it looks like the bug was fixed somehow by last patch (not the HP not scaling bug though!).

Before it was like this:

MLC8896 · July 28, 2023, 11:07am

Actually the bug is still there, but only when you replace an Invisible Object by a unit. If you replace any other object with a unit, it is fine (flags included). But units replacing Invisible Objects cannot be garrisoned at the moment still.

Thus, I believe this is an issue tied to the Replace Object bug (HP not scaling).

MLC8896 · September 12, 2023, 9:13pm

Any information regarding this bug?

Still there after two major patches.

Thanks

cly0806 · September 17, 2023, 5:02pm

the officials do not solve the problem about it since then.@Felizon89

thieftdp8498 · September 24, 2023, 5:31pm

generally takes about 6 months to a year for fixes… almost 6 months now so hopefully by next patch including the persian rework

MLC8896 · September 25, 2023, 1:36pm

May the gods hear our prayers

Legaran · September 25, 2023, 2:56pm

I managed to make workarounds so I could finally publish my scenario (Valdemar - The Bloodfeast of Roskilde). But I know those workarounds don’t work for everyone.

My scenario uses “replace object” in two situations where hp matters/mattered:

When my heroes Absalon and Valdemar mount and dismount at specific points, I had to add a “heal object” effect after “replace object”, to fully heal the mounted unit or remove the “surplus” hp from the foot unit.
A temporary battle cry morale boost. The boost used to give all existing units of a certain class 30 extra hp through the “change object hp” effect (I chose hp because the “change object armor” effect was bugged back then). When the effect took off, the units would be reset by being replaced twice (e.g. Knight to Camel Rider to Knight). This also allows the units to benefit from upgrades afterwards.
But since April, this reset does not work for hp, so my units just got permanently stronger with each battle cry. I fixed it by changing the bugged hp boost to an armor boost using the barely fixed “change object armor”.

But with the rate of new bugs appearing, I fear it’s just a matter of time before the next scenario breaking bug ruins the mechanic and sends me back to square one.