I wonder if Pyrrhus deserves his own civ.
It would be Epirus, right?
The thing is that many of his army descriptions suggest he also used Phalanxes, although that would be solved with a unit similar to the Immortal’s:
Unique Unit, can change between Skirmisher mode and Phalanx mode.
The other unit he should have is War Elephants, the only Greek kingdom with them in the staples.
We already know his story from aoe/ror so would be redundant to retell that.
Since the base game already has romans and celts might have to find new names for them.
Ehhh…honestly I wouldn’t be opposed to them revisiting Pyrrhus, the ROR one, while the best of the new ROR campaigns, is still kinda meh just because ROR itself is kinda rough to play (at least for me who likes to play defensive)
I’m a big fan of the Thracians, they are a really cool civ in many way. I really like their architecture has a really nice vibe to it.
That is surely one of the reasons why they choose them as a civ. They will likely appear a lot in the Roman campaigns.
My bets are Roman Republic, Carthage and Gauls/Celts. The first 2 are obvious but there are many reasons for Gauls:
I don’t think so. They can just be Macedonians with 2-3 extra units (like Elephants). The Alexander campaign does that a lot, half of the enemy units you fight are units that your enemies civs aren’t able to train.
Celts/Gauls and Carthage can’t really be represented by other civs. Like Thracian Celts would be pretty wrong.
We have multiple AoE2 campaigns that tell the same story from 2 perspectives, so why not show the Roman perspective on Pyrrhus in Chronicles?
Why tell this story when punic wars are much better?
Not sure if people want another Roman civ. Besides Romans can be easily represented by you know…The Romans which were added in RoR with a few units added to the scenario editor.
Same can be said on adding Spartans and Athenians instead of cramping them up to a single civ or using existing ones which you oppose with the Diadochi ones.
Can you Romaboos seriously think anything outside of Rome? It’s kinda ironic when some of the Eurocentrism complainers on this forums are Romaboos which is the most Eurocentric thing than having Diadochi wars and even a Parthian civ.
It sounds like they don’t want to focus on one conflict in the next DLC. They mentioned an Empire that grew slowly, which implies that you will play the rise of Rome over a longer time period.
If they start after the death of Alexander then Pyrrhus would be a good start into Roman campaign that is also a good connection to the Alexander campaign. The main focus will probably be the Punic wars for sure. The Alexander campaign also started with the wars of Phillip against the Scythians and Greeks before going over to Alexanders conquest of Asia.
My guess is that they will go from Pyrrhus until right before Caesar. Though maybe you get more scenarios as the enemies of Rome compared to only 2 scenarios where you don’t play the Macedonians in the Alexander campaign. Hannibal is just to cool to not give him multiple missions.
The developers of Chronicles don’t want to use AoE2 civs. They have only used a hand full of AoE2 units so far. The Bengalis would have been the perfect civ for representing the Indians with their ancient Chariot UU.
Also the AoE2 Romans are a 400 AD civ not a 300 BC one. They are very bad at representing early Rome.
Sparta and Athens are pretty different in many ways and also you play both of them for long stretches of the campaign.
Also both of them have been used to represent a lot of other civs like Ionians, Thebens and all kinds or mercenaries and pirates.
Rome was a very big, long lasting and influential empire. We are literally using Roman letters right now, Roman calender, most countries have Roman law and many other things. But we only got 2 Roman campaigns since the release of Rise of Rome in 1999, and that’s only if we count the Byzantines. And that one Roman campaign is in Return of Rome so basically also AoE1.
China and Japan are in AoE1, AoE2 (4 different Chinese even), AoE3, AoE4 and AoM.
Persia is in AoE1, AoE2, AoM and now also Chronicles. Still missing in AoE3 which I’m personally pretty sad about (you can find many of my posts asking for Persians in AoE3DE).
Romans are in AoE1 and AoE2. If we count Byzantines they are also in AoE4.
Chronicles is based on the mod “Rome at War” so it was pretty obvious that they would eventually do Rome. Rome fans didn’t really have much Rome in AoE yet and Europe is generally very underrepresented in AoE1.
I’m pretty sure we will see a Parthian civ in Chronicles eventually if the keep making DLC. Rome at War had the Achaemenid (as Persians), Seleucids and the Parthians btw.
How many civs does the RaW mod include? Do you think we’ll eventually have as many in the game?
From the SotL interview, I got the impression that there’s more content coming from the Chronicles/CA development team — not just as one or more DLCs, but also as additional content for the base game, beyond the Chronicles expansion.
36 civs, so it will be very unlikely that they will ever all be in Chronicles especially because some of them are pretty much unchanged AoE2 civs like Goths or Huns. They also reused more AoE2 units, including UUs like Battle Elephants and Chakram Throwers.
But it’s always worth looking there since some elements are copied over like Thracian Infantry reducing enemy armour.
The different developers help each others out from time to time. So I don’t think the Chronicles team will full time work on other AoE2 content but they will likely help out with single player content moving forward.
In my opinion Diadochi Wars should be next Chronicles dlc (before dlc with Roman civilization). Dlc should add Seleucids, Ptolemaic Egypt and Parthian Kingdom.
Argyraspides (“Silver Shields”) and Cataphracts as seleucids unique units; Machimoi (infantry unit) for Ptolemaic Egypt; Parthian horse archers and Parthian Cataphratcs as Parthian unique units.
It seem like they want to do Romans next so I wonder how they will deal with the Diadochi in general.
Like it’s hard to make a Caesar campaign without Egypt and if they don’t make a new civ with an Egyptian architecture set it would look super wrong.
Seleucides can be represented by a mix between Achamenids and Macedonians plus some scenario editor only units. But that would also mean they are not playable as we already got more then enough Macedonian missions.
Parthians will come eventually even if it’s not for a Diadochi DLC they are just too important and certainly not Achamenids anymore.
So I think it’s not super unlikely that we will get the Ptolemaians, but who knows.
If the “long and enduring empire” is Rome then I think what comes next will be the Second Punic War, protagonized by Scipio and Hannibal, and the new civs could be Romans, Carthaginians, and one of the following: Numidians, Iberians, Gauls.
They also said slowly rising Empire. That implies that the DLC will not just focus on one conflict. Maybe span over centuries even, but who knows.
What a hard counter, OP af.
I will say, if/when we get to showing Rome’s invasion of Dacia, I do hope they make a new Dacians civ instead of just recycling Thracians.
Exactly how different are the two?
Names For Chronicles Rome. To Make It Sound Different From the Base Game Romans.
Romani. Latin Word
Romano. Italian Word
Romanus. Latin Word
Rhomaioi. Greek Word
Honestly? I’m not an expert in Dacian history so I can’t say for sure or anything, but just for minimizing umbrellas mainly. The Dacians seem relevant enough though to get their own faction instead of just existing under a “Balkan peoples north of Greece” umbrella.
Although the Greek name for the Dacians was Getae, which made an appearance in the Alexander campaign as Thracian, and while they have some more Samartian and Celtic influence they seem to be wrapped under Thracians primarily, so who knows. I guess if the DLC handling Rome’s invasion of Dacia only has two civs needed then throw Dacians in as a civ, if there isn’t room let them be Thracians, I suppse it can be a toss up.
Well there are only 6 civs in Chronicles at the moment. Would be a tall ask to add Dacians and Thracians in this DLC instead of someone from India.
Oh I certainly didn’t mean add them now, just eventually, probably with a DLC covering Rome’s invasion of Dacia.
