We already skipped entire Egypt section already. Like Alexander being welcomed in the “region”. Then only resistance at “that place” with Siege. I legit thought we would get Alexander building Alexandria at Egypt instead of Afghanistan in game.
That begs me a question if we go Rome directly then how you are gonna represent how Alexander’s descendant died during Diadochi Wars. Also those generals. I still say how you exactly gonna avoid it all. Battle Of Platea skipping was already bad enough.
She was Greek though.
It would only really make sense to add them as Ptolemaics at this point.
Considering that the Phalangites unlike the Hoplites are considered a unique unit it seems like they don’t have any of successor states planned as their own civs.
Thought it would be kinda hard to make a Caesar campaign without Egypt.
The one in Afghanistan makes more sense gameplay wise. The one in Egypt would have been a little boring or they would have had to make up fake enemies.
it’d have been like conquering Castle like area at “that” region for the first part of the scenario. Making alliances in Libya and “other” region while making the city simultaneously. Pretty much Afghanistan scenario but taking place in Egypt. Perhaps some diplomatic envoys through sea to Greece/Turkey. Random raiding parties by Arabs nomads and possibly large raiding parties by Persians or atleast at the end of city building.
It pretty much summarized to Egypt welcomed Alexander, gifted them a city and Darius kept sending letters for favorable terms.
I guess they knew they were only going to add 3 civilisations so they picked Thracians and Puru over Egypt because they were more important in Alexanders life.
Not having an Egyptian architecture set made it impossible to have a scenario set in Egypt without looking stupid.
If there were Egyptians but no Indian civ I think more people would have complained. Not sure about Thracians but they were used as stand ins for all kinda of other civs in the campaign too where Greek and Persian architecture would have looked out of place.
You just skip it with a monologue.
As usual they want to appease the pop-culture brainrot by skipping the cool stuff…
Same take. Even in future I can totally see controversy around multiple iterations of Romans in game. R@W had 2 Romans. Judging by that, Chronicles may have even more than that. I actually prefer if they go campaign only DLC route for that. If possible allow us to play as Romans again which was introduced in previous DLCs but add new civs which we can play once or twice. Thats like the only way to avoid this Roman problem.
Diadochi in itself isnt bad. Even there is so many cool stuffs you could cover.
Because clearly we didn’t have enough Romans already. First it was the Italians and Byzantines, then bam - Romans in Return of Rome. Then somehow Romans again in the base game. And now Chronicles might bless us with not one, but two more Roman civs? (Because, you know, Republic and Empire - can’t miss a chance to double-dip on the toga budget.)
You can add a 3rd one. Christianity focused pre-Byzantine Rome. Atleast around 3rd century focused. Current one being Latin italy late era Rome
Best part - Italians as well as Byzantines speak Latin in game. They aren’t Roman at all.
Exactly. that’s why it’s better than always appeasing the Romaboos for once, they can wait another DLC instead of the need to dictate Chronicles with only Rome as the next DLC.
The dev teams are working like completely separated teams. Highlighted by the fact that they didn’t even care to make Elite Unit Skins or reuse the Trade Carts. The base game devs also didn’t care about creating a Spartan Castle when they released their major update. They would most likely not modify the base game Roman civ with Chronicle unit line skins. Then again the Romans civ is tied to a DLC that is not free. So it is very unlikely that they are going to use the existing Roman civ for the next chronicles campaign.
Diadochi also is too huge. Even its extremely hard to tie in Phyrrus which fought against Rome as part of Diadochi Wars. Sure we can do Roman POV against Phyrrus but wonder how. Also to portray his death, you have to play as Spartans again. Unless they follow “DLC rule” and not allow us to play Spartans again since its content locked in a sense.
You would atleast have to play Ptolemic Egypt entire conflict with Alexander’s body. Generals fighting each other. Indians retaking some of the lands conquered by Alexander, Selucids taking over Persia and so on. Unless they pull Alexander again. where they skip how Philip became a King, Boetian Wars, Scythians and Thebans reduced to scenario editor only modifications.
Sure but issue isnt gone away. Lets assume new Romans is introduced. Like R@W, its republic based. Then another DLC you HAVE to play republic based Romans again. Punic Wars where you’ll play Carthage then play Romans again. Atleast Republic until Caesar. Later ones you run into same issue and that is if we assume it’ll go all the way upto 3rd century crisis atleast. Even then you technically will have a void period. We dont have early Fall Of Rome to Early Islamic Conquest isnt covered. How you gonna bring Sassanids? Also rise of Sogdians?
I also forgot. Unless they go full Romaboo, how we gonna cover Ashoka? Mauryans? Spread of Buddhism happened to due to that period. I, atleast thought maybe in future actual Three Kingdoms gonna be covered through as part of one of the Chronicles but that ship sailed away.
First of all, I would like to continue with the wars of the Diadochi (Seleucids, Ptolemaic Egypt, Greco-Bactrian kingdom?) but in the future I would also like a Chronicles: Battle for Sicily which would deal with the Greco-Punic wars with the Carthage, Syracuse and Epirus factions (so it could end with Pyrrhus’ quote when he leaves the island “Oh, the beautiful battlefield, which we leave to the Carthaginians and the Romans!” and then there would be a Battle for the Mediterranean (Romans, Iberians and Gauls?) even if in the campaign you would also lead Carthage.
For those who haven’t finisher the campaign, they are heavily hinting Rome at the end. They are saying an empire that did rise slowly and was long lasting. Not sure what else that could be.
Not sure if people want a 3rd DLC of playing different versions of the Greeks. Besides Egypt the other Diadochi factions can easily be represented by existing civs with some additional units, like Macedonians with Elephants.
I think their reasoning for choosing Rome is not just the popularity (and the fact that the developers themselves are Rome fans) but also game design reasons. In the Alexander campaign you get to permanently add additional units to your roster and choose permanent bonuses/technologies. This gives you a feeling of progression though the campaign, on top of the fact that it’s the longest AoE2 campaign so far. Rome would allow for even more choices and progression as it’s not just during the live time of one person. Some decisions might impact things that happen centuries later in the time line. Making Rome the main character instead of a person.
But that’s all speculation. Maybe they go back to letting you switch factions during the campaign and we actually get to play Carthage for a 3rd of the campaign.
Not sure. In the Alexander campaign they showed how heavy they are willing to change civilisations with Triggers. A lot of the enemies you fight are essentially made up civilisations. Half of the units you fight are campaign only units and you yourself get to build an army fully made of campaign only units if you want to.
They could easily turn a Republican Rome into an Imperial Rome with trigger. But maybe they will still at least split those 2. I don’t see any other potential splits are aren’t going into the AoE2 timeline.
I generally wonder if Chronicles will ever end going all the way to the fall of the Western Roman Empire which is already the setting of 2 AoE2 campaigns.
What does a Rome fan want to see in AoE? Legions from the hight of the Empire. Actual Legionaries with swords and tower shields. Something we have never gotten in any Age of Empires game.
That’s like as if we had the English without Longbowmen.
Which is a good use, because “The Thracian” was the definition of the greek for all the people in Europe that are of the north of Greece.
Even Celt or Dacian were considered Thracian, while: 1) they were “Tribes” 2) weren’t Greek 3) were in the north of Macedonia".
Oh, and whoever more north of the Thracian, were Scythes, usually 4) Cavalry raiders
The Thracians were never completely subjugated. Most empires that “include” the Thracians as their kingdom, such as the Kingdom of Odrysia, actually lie on their maps, as they only controlled the coasts and coastal areas; in reality, the rest of the areas were entirely occupied by Thracians living there.
Even in the Diodachi Wars, Lysimachus claimed to be king of the Thracians, but in practice he only had them as allies. After his death, Thracia remained a collection of independent villages of javelin throwers and bandits with Romphaia.
However, they would be important for the Roman Period and future campaigns, as they faced the Celts and the Romans.
In fact, their area would be incorporated as the Thracia area of the Roman Empire.
I spoiled only the last 30 seconds of the ends to know which is gonna be the next DLC. But im in the 14 level in legendary (Very, very difficult).
Yeah, now we have to teorize which civs are gonna appear in the next DLC with Romans.
Honestly, from a business perspective getting to Rome quickly probably does make more sense. I very much want to see them touch the Diadochi before moving on to Rome, but from looking at sales Rome is much more well known and therefore easier to sell. Hopefully they’d consider coming back to the Diadochi at some point.
I think Punic Wars would make the most sense; Romans, Carthage, and…probably Numidians or Celtiberians, or maybe they throw Samnites in and have the first couple campagins be Rome fighting Samnites and Pyhrrus before moving on to the Punic Wars? I don’t think they should be slapped together though.
I’d rather see them do the first rise of Rome with Rome, Etruscans, and Samnites first with the Romans solidifying their control of the Italian peninsula, and then do a Punic Wars DLC with Carthage coming after, but we’ll see, maybe the first one is getting too granular I dunno.
