Every time is massive pikes won the game.
It can see in 1600 team rank, players also don’t how to respond OP Sweden build. This is the same level difference. Not I vs pro.
50 res for a pike is too damn cheap. Normal price 80 res if you buff it to 70 it is fine, 50 is too much. He can spam so many and this unit is not micro intensive. Defender has to micro the whole time else will get flooded and buildings collapse
Yeah, for some reason team games are full od Dutch, Swedes, Ottos and Japanese, because that civs arent understood by enemies to counter them. Same with aztecs or inca that are top tier civs that everyone play and have to be nerfed.
I wonder why the game now becomes noobs know more than pros how to counter a civ.
No wonder the game always balance for noobs…
At guard swe pikes should be 35f 35w (fixes the pike issue)
Jagers should probably be 70w 100c after the church tech. The point was to save you something, it wasn’t doing that for a while, but now it’s probably too much.
Add 5 Vills age 2.
Nerf the base gather rate of Torps by 15-20%. Blue Berries adds +15% towards gather rate on regular berries in addition to the short term blue berries (berries still need to be decent late game. This will still be an overall nerf to the berry rate).
-100 starting food. Add 1 vill.
Now that they’re eco isn’t insane, revert the cost of Caroleans back to 60f 40c. They would have been balanced there if it weren’t for the crazy high eco.
bro do you work at Imax, because that is some serious projection. Take a deep breath and read my post talking about dumb cheese that average players use. I didn’t say a thing about sweden specifically so chill.
Notice that the only things I mentioned were cheesy, silly things. I could have added scouts but those got nerfed. Regardless, there’s some issues currently with dutch that I’m completely aware of because the devs went absolutely crazy ensuring they had every musketeer possible after what, 18 years without them? Imperial mercs were a mistake for everyone, and then they went and buffed the dutch ones. I got no problem with complaining about that, I take issue with someone getting stomped one game by something silly then complaining here endlessly about how idk pet tigers need a nerf. We can discuss these things, but some people insist on just trashing on everyone else to make their point, so even if they’re right they’re too insufferable to actually engage with.
What is with this attitude? “Noobs” beat pros regularly because our current pros are on average less skilled less knowledgeable about this game than EP days. These pros called lakota “lowkota” 5 momths ago yet many cry daily for nerfs yet ive seen far more “noobs” complain how insifferable lakota was and be told by said pros to get gud. Same with usa goon. Same with aztec 2x maya. Same with many revolts. Imfact every single pros tier list has moved since 5 months despite no patch. Why? Because they learned how to counter or realized those lows they often despise arent that dumb.
As well, Our pros currently are (im)famous for calls to buffing their civs and crying for nerfs to civs that beat them instead of objective facts and aoe3 is a chaos game so 1 game 1.mistake can lead.to massive upsets not represenative of real balance. Hell some top.player fell to haude town destroyer does that mean it need nerfs? According to your words it does.
Your attitude shows only you are.incapable of beating it and are reliant on others to think for you. If you cant make your own thoughts then why post since id rather hear from said pros(who often are flawed but explain their views) than someone else parrot their frustrations. I would encourage you to create your own arguments instead of just appeals to authority and being a jerk to dissenters.
P.S i agree with the pikes but doubt the jaegers. Id like.to see jaegers demomstrate OP beyond what is already accepted balance power of uber team units
Argument is enough. I have shown many.
Objection people have only winrate to talk but nothing else, winrate showed many times this reference is completely fail and wrong direction for balance. Especially they are using the low rank to prove themselves. A game balance should be referred to top rank by priority, I am sorry I am not pro but I still listen to them first, especially this issue is making the game unplayable.
Moreover the game in my level, I have also shown the result.
I can’t see anything from them to prove this is weak yet, except this useless winrate.
Please check the chat.
They will have only 50f starting crate. can’t train vil at the first time. 21
Game should be balanced for pros? ok ill take your very flawed stance that literally no rts takes wholesale because 1- pros are biased and 2- pros are a minority of players that if they are truly good, will adapt to meta and stay pro not be beholden to specific stuff and 3- we per their own admission in aoe3 barely if not at all have a pro scene so who are these pros playing? what makes them a pro are they a pro or big fish in a small pond? none of our pros have demonstrated sucess in other platforms and elo is so easy to game and we have so few real tournaments. and 4-a pro vs noob leads to all sorts of overconfidence for example and aoe3 has always been a game where clever builds can blindside better players. If thats your approach, lets demonstrate its really pros being unable to beat it.
Show me kaister dying to it, or aiz, prinz, kingu, hazza, or eq level (sorry if i forgot anyone)or the older team pros all coming together players who got to the top without smurfing or boosting elo and have decade plus of team knowledge being unable to beat this. show me treaty players unable to beat this to prove there is no late game counter to an age4 pike. many games not just 1. because what im going to do to you is the same you tried to do to eric: one game doesnt mean anything. nor does just win rate. congrats, your argument is dead in the water because your only angle is 1 game and beleiving 1 pro’s opinion over any actual demonstration outside of 1 casual game.
I once played in a stacked lobby and got carried by ginga while spamming port goons. vs sweden which has had these pikes long time. I won. therefore, play ports. almost any pro will tell you team ports is the best. by your logic, you should go play ports.
I ask you a question, a OP civ even pro can’t solve/ difficult to solve, why listen to noob buff them? Do you understand this will make the game more unplayable?
If a civ is OP in noob range but UP in pro, I will not suggest to buff them. Do you understand the difference?
This is not because noob or pro main issue, is pro already can’t solve, noob don’t try to learn the game but just requiring buff.
Others are not argument. Game has shown (Dev can check) Sweden is the least vils (even half of some civs) but the best eco, pikes and jaegers comes out can push 3 players.
you agree pike is OP is ok.
I just told you I solved it via ports
Go spam their OP drive by organs as a “shitter” vs “pros” who had sweden with its pikes backed by port goons.
If we gonna predicate balance off one game, we now cancel eachother. So now what? Since the only metric is our pros, who never get anything wrong in 1 game per you, i guess we need to see a port organ player vs sweden pike spammer. Until then its balanced shrug.
Again i think these are OP pikes but like socrates gadfly I feel compelled to point out the flaws in your thinking and how you certainly havent demonstrated proof to be so concieted towards others. Im tempted to meme the town destroyer example and say “behold, a 0 cost.8x broken pike” tbh
I have said this?
I said Sweden is OP, but didn’t say they are promised 100% sure win. I also didn’t say Sweden can let a 1000 elo defeat 2000 elo.
I have already picture showed…
Your pros still using hakk when they use Sweden, right?
Landwher? And not cav?
Usa never used gats? But made goon into pike musk skirm?
Man your games looks more memey and having fun not taking it seriously
Show me the team pop for vills and military as well if you may
Who tell you only can train one unit…
OMG you are going to far.
Because pike and jaeger OP so Sweden can only train these two unit?
Is Sweden main Pike and Jaeger? They won the game facing Port spamming OG.
Don’t do this mouth talk. Ask you pro changed hakk to pike.
I have seen Hazza team still hakk.
The player I showed 89% Sweden player used pike Jaegers easily defeat rank 2 Sweden hakk.
Lol someomes getting upset which is a sign they dont have much logic left
Just post the military pop and vill graphs
No problem pikes are just ruining the game.
I told you I have joined Sweden too.
Who is going to be upset. So funny.
As long as Dev don’t fix, I use Swe but oppo don’t use, I ruin the game, I don’t use but oppo use Swe, Oppo ruin the game. Just this.
You said Port OG> Sw Pike, my game is not, so I need to upset? 21
Funny Logic. I suggest you quote back your selfish speech this game should only balance for 1v1.
Your projecting so hard mate lol.
Just post the graphs
If its OP youll see the dips and timings.
Again id believe you but strong claims require strong evidence. Not a casual lobby 1x game. If your only fall back is the ln appeals to (questionable knowledge) authority and personal attacks your arguement needs work and your not ready to debate. Simple as
Yeah Yeah Yeah
Why not say talk team balance is selfish again?
Just go ahead talk balance with winrate, nerf Aztec again. Nerf them until their winrate change, now >10 core nerf didn’t change.
Graph shows Sweden with pikes wins Port with OGs. You don’t say this I don’t quote this.
You guys talk balance even no internal play test.
No problem lets end you are going too far and trying to ask me this or that, I don’t care too much if Dev really nerf any of this or not, I want to win then I will use, but as real balance this is serious problem.
