if you dont care visuals, ok. Many people dont care visuals. Many people had not even noticed the bad proportions because they do not pay attention to the details. Ok
But even if you personally dont care about visuals, thinks like this (two buildings, two different proportions, one extremely unproportionate) doesnt be good.
I care about visuals. We just have different preferences. For example, the thing that bugs me the most is that the thatched roofing on the TC doesn’t look great. It’s bugged me since the game came out. It’s a silly, small thing but I can’t stop seeing it.
But when it comes to proportions, (more) realistic units would make units too small, or buildings too big (for me). Maybe there’s something the developers can do where they make you happy and keep me happy, I don’t know.
I highly doubt you were a fan of “not-so-realistic proportions” before this thread. Okay let’s assume it’s the case, but you are still evading the problem.
This is a design with realistic proportion:
This is a design with not-so-realistic proportion:
This is NEITHER:
ok, i change my sentence. "If you dont care about this point in especific is Ok. But the proportions still being a point that need being fixed.
Now you’re diverting the topic towards 100% realistic proportions being bad. THATS NOT THE POINT.
The point is the proportions in aoe4 is a point that dont feels good. If you compare for example aoe4 with AoM, proportions in aoM are not 100% realistic but dont seems bad. In AoE4 even if you dont care about it, proportions dont feel good and is by all the things that have already been said.
Of course you do. Why bother trying to discuss anything, if that’s the case? Honest question. Images where houses are shown as the same size as keeps need not apply.
I specifically said:
Right? Maybe there’s something the developers can do.
But it’s not objective. It’s a feeling you have. A feeling that exists because the proportions aren’t realistic. The developers aren’t mindreaders. They don’t know exactly what changes you want. I don’t know what changes you want, other than you want things to be more (but not necessarily 100%) realistic.
I’m sure I can live with some changes but I am generally against (more) realistic proportions. I’m just one guy, if you for whatever reason can’t deal with that I don’t know what to say.
@GorbMort see this. the third example is like aoe4 is. There is not a subjetive question, Third case is a wrong case, is not only bad proportions.
Because you immediately turned a fan of the current state of AOE4 every time, be it color selection, zoom level, and stationary chicken, whatever.
Also these images have been posted a million times even in this thread. But as always you pretend these do not exist and pick posts (and even parts of posts) that do not include evidences and call it subjective.
And you are the one who never come up with any solid argument or evidence but just keep murmuring “I’m fine with it. It’s subjective. There is a reason. It’s not good or bad.” How dare you ask others for “discussion”?
The problem is not “realistic or unrealistic proportions” “bigger buildings or smaller buildings”. You are still evading it. The problem is “a model that is initially designed to be bigger (IMPORTANT) was simply shrinked to fit smaller grids (IMPORTANT) with a last minute decision of making the buildings smaller”.
The “last minute decision of making the buildings smaller” part is what you call a “design choice” and truly subject to personal preferences. The “a model that is initially designed to be bigger was simply shrinked to fit smaller grids” part is a bad execution of that design choice.
In case you ignore them again, I’m highlighting the important points for you.
If two random people are talking on the street and agreeing on something I don’t agree with, I let them me unless they are somehow conspiring to do something harmful to me and the world.
If you think this discussion about building proportions is somehow going to be heard by devs and then they’ll change things that you’ll not find enjoyable anymore, I’m sorry. That’s how life is.
You are trying to wash out a request by some people by polluting the thread with your opinion. And its only you doing this. Why dont you just make your own thread and request the devs to keep things as they are without diluting this thread?
In short, I really don’t know what you want.
I’m often okay with things you’re not. The question you need to be asking yourself is: why is it not okay that I don’t share your opinions?
You highlighting images I’ve already gone over is just more evidence of this. At no point have I argued over buildings being made smaller. We’re arguing over what we think is a defect / what we think looks bad. If you don’t understand this, you’re never going to learn to convince people who didn’t already agree with you.
Like I said earlier, if you don’t want disagreement, don’t post on a public web forum. Host your own, do whatever. From all of our interactions, I think we have very different game priorities. The problem is you don’t seem to think I should be allowed mine, whereas I’ve always been in favour of the devs adding more options.
The problem is, with unit and building proportions, you can’t do that. It’s one way and not the other. Someone has going to lose. Heaven forbid I argue against the thing I don’t want to see!
I’m not one who is obsessed with visuals but the proportions in AoE 4 are terrible. That is a fact not an opinion. If you are someone who doesn’t mind it that’s fine but you don’t need to show up every time anyone says anything bad or critical about the game to defend it tooth and nail, like some people around here. It’s honesty just annoying
I honestly do agree , that the proportions are weird, and it was a huge let down for me , and kinda made me not want to keep playing.
This is a public forum, if you want a private conversation go start a message with someone. Plenty of people here in this very thread barge into the non-critical threads all the time. I don’t like it but that’s what a forum is. They have that right.
So is them making changes to the game based on feedback from people who aren’t you (like competitive players). Not a convincing argument there.
No, it’s an opinion.
Unlike the same posters who turn up to criticise it every time? 
Weird how one group is okay and the other is not. We’re discussing changing the game. I have an opinion on that.
Same for me. It is not immersive enough if horses are as tall as buildings.
Something in AoE4 has always felt off. And unit and building proportions are a massive factor behind that.
And unexpectedly you are still evading the problem. I used bold fonts to highlight the text. Do I need to capitalize the text so that you can see them?
A model that is INITIALLY DESIGNED TO BE BIGGER (IMPORTANT) was SIMPLY SHRUNK TO FIT SMALLER GRIDS (IMPORTANT)
This is NOT an argument between “bigger buildings or smaller buildings”. This is a bad execution of the “dEsIgN cHoIcE” of smaller buildings.
BTW, if you want discussion, give your specifics and evidences. Not finding a million clever ways to expand “you dislike it because you dislike it. Something happens because of a reason. It’s not comparable because it is not comparable.” into a thesis.
You’re allowed to have your own points of view but people will very likely show you the door if you do nothing but contaminating the discussion.
No it’s a fact proportions are bad look at screen shots. Just say you don’t care that the proportions are weird. That’s fine
The problem Mort is that you think this is about you and your opinion. It isn’t.
You’re not on the same page as the complaints either. You don’t seem to understand what is being questioned, AND you are purposely deflecting, derailing and gaslighting others about the topic–trying to change it.
Multiple people have noted this yet you continue stubbornly. Consider for a second that you might be wrong, because right now it seems like you’re going to say “no” to anything anyone ever says to you.
Stay on topic guys please. (:
I do care, and while I’ll never say anything is perfect (hard to be in a video game made with deadlines etc), I don’t consider them bad for me.
Why isn’t it? Isn’t it about all of our opinions?
I consider this a lot. The problem is the random insults and accusations make it hard to consider in good faith. So I want to understand why you think my opinion isn’t important, but yours and that of others are.
So if you care/think that the proportions are weird why are you arguing with these people?
I’ll keep it short:
The world is also a public place. I have every right in the world to barge into someone’s conversation on the street. But I don’t, do I?
And yes. They can take feedback from competitive players. They have that right. I have a right to criticize that decision since this way of taking feedback makes the game less fun for other people. And you have a problem with that. I don’t understand why.
