I care about unit proportions. I don’t agree that they’re weird, though I appreciate that others think that they are.
The problem is this isn’t a colour picker, or whatever other optional extra that the devs can add in if they have the resource. This is something that has one setting. One scale. We can’t all play a game where the units and buildings scale differently for each player. So if people want to change that, I can’t just live and let live. I argue for my perspective on it.
Forum mod, please implement font sizes and text colors because G##bM##t still cannot see the text even with bold and capital letters. I need red color and 5x larger fonts.
Uhhh who said they wanted that? That would be a terrible idea. I’m just saying some of the buildings are too small. But textures and the units not being sharper is my main complaint of the graphics. I can get used to buildings being small.
Yeah then please make a different thread where you ask devs to keep things as they are.
Don’t dilute this one for heaven’s sake. It confuses the devs as to what WE want.
Honestly the game is what it is now, I’m very disappointed about the final outcome but their not going to change it at this point. But complaining can be entertaining we should just try to give constructive criticism not just bashing stuff or whining
Of course. I did mention above that I do NOT care about this game anymore, and I did share a lot of constructive criticism before and then left knowing that the company has an esports agenda behind it all.
AoE4 is beyond saving, but I care about the franchise and pray that they don’t make the same choices again.
Yeah I’m in the same boat. I don’t know if e sports is to blame. I think they just hired the wrong people or something. I played it a lot for awhile then stopped. Whenever I try it again I’m just like meh
A street with two strangers having an existing conversation is nothing like a web forum where everybody is invited to participate.
Anyhow. Yes, you can criticise the devs acting on feedback from competitive players. But the thing here is I never said you couldn’t. I can criticise your criticism, but I never said you shouldn’t make it. Can you say the same for your reaction to my opinion?
We can all post, is my point. We can all defend and criticise whatever we want. And in a last ditch attempt to get you to discuss the topic and not me, I am not a fan of the devs making proportions excessively realistic. That might not even be what players here want. But that’s the opinion I wanted to share. And I have said it repeatedly. So I don’t get what’s so difficult about respecting that.
Because everybody has a slightly different idea on what needs changing. And some people would prefer it not to be changed (hi). There’s no way on this specific topic that everyone can get what they want. There’s just no way.
We were talking about why I was arguing, right? I’m certainly not here to enjoy all the random insults from whoever 
Haha.
Man.
Should’ve lead with this. Ah well.
Let’s face it. The game is boring for anyone who has played previous Age games.
Only people who haven’t played AoE2/3/O would think its a good game.
I haven’t insulted you sooo
Yeah, I mean not everyone but 2/3 are way better. I remember when my brothers saw me playing AoE 4 for the first time they were like this game looks kinda boring and graphics are bad,
Didn’t say you did. I said from whoever.
Was trying to break the ice a bit (and failing).
But that’s a nice post you just liked. Very respectful and not at all demeaning 
Uhh what? Which one you talking about? I’m not the one being hostile here.
I’m sorry.
But you’re at it again. As I said, your problem is that you keep seeking ways to “criticize others criticism” so that the criticism is washed out.
Because you have nothing to contribute to this discussion except “I like things as they are now”.
You have NOTHING ELSE to contribute to the case of bad building proportions. Hence naturally the topic becomes all about you. Maybe you enjoy it.
I asked to stay on topic very friendly , do not put oil into fires for no reason, if you have issues with each other, there is a possibility to create DM groups, but keep it out of the main topics.
After this there is no counter argument… Is clear, there is an issue with proportions.
dunno if this is real but in this forum they send me that he was kinda annoying in previous forum (relic ones) when this issue happened with other user which he was supporting for similar ideas. but take it with grain of salt. I will try to find the og mssg for proof
I do not know why there are people like you and especially you that are so upset, even scared, by the mere thought of some others getting what they want from the game. Even if they are asking for tiny improvements of details that you “do not care about”.
As I said, I believe the developers are mote than capable of their jobs, that if they decide to make a certain design choice, they will always find a way to realize it, properly. But you seem not.
You thought increasing zoom levels would crash the game.
You thought making chicken and horses moving would significantly lower the performance.
You thought improving details, implementing certain qol functions (or even hotfixing bugs) would distract them from something “more important”, whatever that something is.
Now you think by merely adjusting the model of some buildings they might ruin the overall visual quality and gameplay.
As if it is impossible for the developers to find a proper way to implement anything that other game developers have been doing for years, if the decide to do so.
And we are not even talking about overall design styles or core gameplay.
Like why should we become game industry experts and foresee every potential problem and offer complete solutions for them before we propose any changes? Does anyone pay us to do so?
It is the developer’s responsibility to determine what to do and find ways to do them. You “pay” them to do the job for you. You are not their parents. You should not worry they will stumble if they have been better at walking than you since long ago.
We agree here. The problem is when people invent things out of thin air, like blaming “esports” for changes made to a game before its release.
If the developers are more than capable, and this change to building proportions was intentional and for a reason . . . do you see the problem yet?
Either they made a mistake, as everyone is capable of doing, or their reasoning is more important than peoples’ arguments here.
As you your other list of nonsense, well, that’s why I don’t normally reply to you. You make things up. In almost all those cases that wasn’t me predicting a thing. That was me answering the question of “why haven’t the developers changed this yet / give me one reason why this can’t be done”. But you know that.
And yet you still do it. Go figure 
So are they capable before or after they added more zoom options?
They decided to restrict zoom for a reason.
Then they decided to change zoom for a reason.
These are contradictory. They are all intentional. At least one of them would end up being a bad decision, according to your logic.
BTW it is funny you immediately throws out “they have other priorities” “it takes time” when people ask for bugfixes, improvements or new contents, but you tend to forget all of them now. Do you know games improve gradually over time through updates?
And unsurprisingly, you still haven’t seen the core argument here even though I quoted and bold and capitalized it. But I wouldn’t bother to quote it again, so that people will judge for themselves who is diverting the discussion:
The “intentional design decision” is to make building smaller relative to units.
The EXECUTION of the design decision is to shrink the buildings that were originally meant to be bigger.
The latter part is mostly being criticized here.
Fun fact: there is possibility to redesign some models to fit the new grid size (which means, in case you go berserk again, they still have the same proportion relative to units as they do now). Again I believe the developers could do it but you seem not.
And here you are yelling 10 pages “no if they changed building proportions they are going to affect the game I enjoy”.
They decided to restrict zoom for a reason. Yep.
They added a new option (that in no way affects the existing camera option). Yep. They didn’t change it (unless you’re now counting the small extension to the zoom they made way before Panoramic was released). So, nope.
And yes, a game does improve over time. They were likely able to do things with zoom after release, after performance optimisations, that they weren’t before release. I don’t know though, I’m just guessing. You’re the one trying to insist that you’ve found a contradiction for the same reason you always have. It’s not contradictory because they updated the zoom after numerous performance improvements to the game, and they did it without affecting the original zoom that some people preferred (and still prefer).
No, I’m just tired of rehashing arguments from months ago where you didn’t change you mind, and won’t again now. It’s wasting both of our time. I’m trying to avoid going down all these little derails where you think you’ve “caught” me doing something or other, because as I’ve mentioned already, you make things up.
I figured I’d go over zoom for one last time though, just for old time’s sake <3
How would you redesign the buildings to fit the smaller footprint? Making them smaller is straightforward and requires far less work than whatever redesigning them would involve.
But I’m not even sure what you would do. Which is why I’m asking. You can’t take a third of a keep off of the keep. You can’t take the stables out of the well, stables. But you seem to suggest that something can be done that preserves the visual identity of the building in order to make it take up less space.
Maybe that is possible, given enough time. But buildings are still going to end up smaller, because the aim like you said was to make them smaller. Not “just as big but occupying less of a physics footprint”. The aim seemed to be to make all buildings smaller relative to the units. Right? So I’m really confused as to what you think the developers can actually do, here.