I think the best option at this point is to split the Armenians.
Could you two take your lover’s quarrel to private messages
DoI is worse than it. It messed up by locking campaign civilization behind paywall. And it gave an incomplete architecture to four civs.
Grab some popcorn dude. Don’t you love romcom?
Hmm yeah, I think that is the only solution now. Just rename Armenians to Cilicians like they renamed Normans to Sicilians. Then you can introduce the real Armenians (as you see fit). You should make a good thread about this split idea.
Consider Prithviraj to be a demo of the Gurjaras, so players who don’t have the DLC can test them out before they decide to buy or not.
You do know you can still play the campaign if you don’t have DoI, right?
That demo thing is very broken to be honest. That never existed in AoE2 before. It basically is promoting in-game purchase which I hate to see. And on top of that DoI also removed Elephant Archer from Skirmish for players who don’t own the DLC.
The first mission of the Montezuma campaign is the demo for The Conquerors. It is absolutely an AoE2 thing.
What do you mean ? Demo ?
Players could access a demo of The Conquerors before it came out…somehow. I’m not entirely sure how. They could play one mission of the Montezuma campaign, and also could access the Aztecs and Mayans in limited game settings.
The Prithviraj campaign for players who haven’t bought DoI is not much different from that.
Is still quite messy to be honest.
False. I’m extremely dissapointed with the direction they took with the Armenians.
Not at all. Why? “Armenian” Armenia and Cilician Armenia were not worlds apart.
I second this.
You are projecting a lot.
Aside from architectural problems (Persians not moved to Central Asian and no new Southeast Europe/Caucasian architecture) I’m really happy with it, and so are a lot of people (I’ve seen lots of praise, especially outside of this forum, where people come mostly to complain tbh) the new mechanics are original but not annoying and the campaigns were great. Claiming it’s the worst or the most hated, when RoR exists, is just ridiculous.
The Armenians civ being based off Cilician Armenia actually made them really distinct from the Georgians, which was a good choice imo, also it’s not like they can’t represent the Caucasian Armenians too.
No, it made them lame. The Armenians and Georgians are like the Mario and Luigi of the Caucasus: you can’t have one without the other. The Armenians not properly representing their Caucasian identity means that the Georgians are essentially without a “brother.”
They literally can’t. Aside from the icon and Wonder, nothing about them remotely resembles Caucasian Armenia. They don’t have good cavalry or siege, which were the two main things Armenia proper was good at, and all the other strengths and traits they have are not historically accurate in the slightest, let alone distinctive to the Caucasian Armenians.
The Armenians fail to represent themselves on basically every level.
The Cilician Armenians weren’t Armenians?
I think it makes sense that the devs just didn’t want to make to cavalry civs for the DLC (or in general, they are quite a lot of cav civs these days)
Also I don’t know if the Bowman or the infantry focus was very Cilician either, again it was just a design choice to make them more distinct from the Georgians
Apparently the Warrior Priests use traditional Georgian clothes too, so they aren’t Cilician either lol
Do you have any pictures for comparison?
They were, but the DLC is called The Mountain Royals, meaning that the civs being in the mountains is important. Armenia proper is a bigger priority for representation, rather than a niche kingdom made up of refugees.
Then make the Georgians an infantry and defensive civilization with a cavalry UU. Somewhat similar to the Slavs, but with a bigger focus on towers like they have now. This is historically accurate, as Georgian infantry was the one that was top-notch, not Armenian. The Armenians could be a heavy cavalry and siege civilization, just like real history.
Yes, but they aren’t Armenian either, so this civ doesn’t get a passing grade in my eyes.
Just a title, Dawn of the Dukes was WAY less accurate and I don’t see you complaining about that, it’s a very weak argument
Maybe you are right, but it’s a bit late now, they won’t just change the two entire civs of the DLC
Fair enough 11
Imagine if they made Georgians based on the US state.