Would be nice. Just saying.
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Maybe, but von Clausewitz (yes, the guy from Art of War) said that most Western countries fought really similarly. He explicitly mentioned that Russia too, but it wasn’t so a few decades (then)ago
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There’s no way in hell you will be able to find enough units to justify unique rosters for most of the other European civilization.
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Is there really no way?
French-Chasseurs are not in the game. Voltiguers are enough as a elite skirmisher but they could be a seperate unit
Dutch-White Guards arent in the game (I know blue guards are in the game but they are different)
as well as a Militia called Exercitiege ######### which can serve as the unique minuteman unit. I dont know why its censored
Russia-Dragoons should replace Cavalry archers via reform card like the British. Lifeguards can be a pseudo royal guard replacement though another term should be used to not confuse with hussars of brits
Spain- I’m sure that Spain can have a unique Dragoon that isnt as broken as Jesuit Conquistadors… Unless devs wanna keep it a seperate thing.
Germans- I am pretty sure they fielded Elite heavy infantry in the Napoleonic Era
Portugal- Pretty sure doesnt need Grenade Launchers to have Grenadiers when they did in some form use them. Also they have used unique Canons on the battlefield. Like Burst mortars. Other than that Portugal is well represented already as a good all rounder.
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That’s cute and all. But you’re drastically underestimating the endeavour.
The Ottomans got a fully unique roster outside the Foundry (and even there they got the Humbaraci.)
You can’t pull that off except with, maybe, the largest colonial empires. Like sure, you have the funny haha Portuguese artillery, but try to build an actual unique infantry roster, just consider the devs couldn’t even find unique names for the Royal Guards.
Don’t even get me started on the Dutch, maybe if you rely on Colonial units from Indonesia you may get somewhere, or very medieval units like Goedendags, but beyond that there’s nowhere to take for their land military.
Dunno why you’d doubt Clausewitz out of all people, Western Europe just had basically the same army compositions all over. It’s just Hussars, Dragoons & Uhlans all over the place, maybe Cuirassiers or Lancers if you’re lucky, but those are already unique units.
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Other euro civs kinda extend theyre unique roster with the embassy wagons to the royal house minor civs. Takes a HC card, but the units are pretty strong and thematically relevant, no?
the issue isn’t that you couldn’t force a unique roster into each civ, its more that there’s not really enough room to
a. completely power creep the entire continent (as has been the rule of all reworks)
b. make meaningfully different units
c. give meaningfully different stats to units which are legitimately just splitting hairs
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To be honest i just want them in cool outfits and armors when their Imperial Upgrade is researched if in case people want a cosmetic change.
I mean Legionaire is such a badass name and it looks like a normal musketeer. Would wanna spice it up a little like put a emblem on the outfit. Stuff like that. If people dont like gameplay change. Eye candy is good enough for me that is
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Also it is an RTS game. It has to take some liberties with history for the sake of game mechanics and keeping things simple. Imagine so many of unique units and trying to learn each of them. Would not be a good experience imo. So many unique units would fit much better in total war games. Or a game with only 3-4 civs like starcraft.
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They’re already scraping the bottom of the barrel for unique European stuff with the royal house units. Most of them are just generic units with the name “royal” slapped in front. Or in some cases they’re entirely made up (modeled on a random historical uniform and then given a nonsense name). Even the ones that could actually have unique names got terrible generic ones instead. If they tried to give all the Europeans unique rosters, the results would be terrible and extremely contrived like the Mexican units.
I’d actually prefer if they did the opposite and made more shared units outside of Europe like Javelin Riders. Do Cetan Bowmen and Aennas actually have to be different units? Why can’t Slingers be something shared between Atzecs and Incas? Why can’t Inca get Light Cannons? You could make adding non-European factions a lot easier to develop and learn with a bit of simplification where it makes sense.
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Despite every unit everything except fishing boats, Galleons and Frigates being unique Ottoman still plays like a euro civ, it’s not a huge learning curve.
I like the uniqueness though.
Native American, Asian and african civs do have shared economic units and buildings though (and naval except asians).
Are there mods for that? Serious question
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It’s not like the ottoman units aren’t just variants of existing units though.
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If one follows the “qiang pikeman” type of naming then you can surely make every unit unique. But that would be a pretty dumb thing to do.
BTW slight variations in the looks of the same unit would be nice like Hausa vs Ethiopian javelin riders.
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A true unique unit nowadays is not very different from a regular unit stacked with cards and techs gameplay-wise, especially in DE as there are a lot of ways to add traits onto units. And there are already a lot examples where a shadow-tech changes the appearance of a shared unit.
The only difference would be altered cost (which could be intentionally designed to synergize with the civ’s eco) and inherent unique traits without upgrades. But these could also be adjusted like for Russians since vanilla.
I suppose you’ll have to mail von Clausewitz and ask him directly
If they can do it for more civs, I think it’d be cool, but otherwise all I want is more architecture sets. The South European/Mexican architecture set currently has 6 civs (Mexicans, Ottomans, Portuguese, Italians, Maltese and Spanish).
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speaking of Portugal if one had a time machine and really could do whatever one wanted to them then an easy way to make them unique is to remove their cavalry, portugese cavalry in the period was bad to basically non-existent, at best they should just have a scout cavalry unit and then make it clear the faction is an infantry faction.
i kind of disagree you couldn’t make non colonial factions unique, russia could be more unique (but in all reality they might as well be considered 100% unique, its just skins and names that are similar to other factions, the stats are all different.) Germany is a fairly unique faction as is and could have been made more unique (unique skirmisher and then all there’s left is the pikes and crossbows).
there are some few other ideas i could think of on top of my head for other europeans:
british: make redcoats a unique unit and change 1 or both cavalry options to be unique (scots guards, ironsides, lobsters, “royalist cavalry”)
french: unique grenadier (imperial guard), unique musketeer (levee en masse), unique skirmisher (chasseurs) etc.
now all that said do i think this needs to be done? no, i actually think the USA and mexico gives us good examples of why this is stupid:
regulars, did these need to be unique? no not really, they are around the same level as a royal guard musketeer in power, and is basically unique just to be unique.
sharpshooters, USA already has 2 other unique skirmishers, so why did these need to exist?
soldato, about as fantasy as you could make a unit, sure just the name of soldier in spanish but the actual unit is the grenadier rework people wanted given to a faction who practically didn’t have a standing army and esp. did not have what one usually considers grenadiers in european context (elite units).
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Guess what, what region those photos are from?