Skoutatoi, an unique Spearman line for Byzantines (Concept)

With Persian replacing Paladins with Savar & Romans replacing Two Handed Swordsman with Legionarries,I hope if devs are going for a Byzantine rework, they would replace the Halberdier line with Skoutatoi instead of another Legionary. I can’t speak numbers yet but at least I have an idea how they should be compare with ordinary Halberdier, this is my idea:

  1. They have pierce armor
  2. They have less attack
  3. They are slower
  4. They have more HP

These are depictions & also an old model from AoE 2 HD from one of the mods that I found


Source: Byzantine Armies 886-1118 , Man at Arms Series


Source: Byzantine Armies AD 1118-1461, Man at Arms Series

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Source: Age of World Empires by Ivindor

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Does every civ need a Unique unit line. Cant we keep some aspects the same as they were 20 years ago if they still work

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That’s why I only proposed on the Spearman line, not all of the Byzantine units…

Edit: I made an irrelevant comment which I deleted

The Savar has less hp than a paladin tho

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If you mean because Pikes have 4 then they could technically have 5 but with missile armor thats so so irrelevant

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Just gonna leave this here:

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Some aspects should be kept the same as 20 years ago because AoE2 isn’t AoE3 or 4.

Is that the same person?

But more than a cavalier. Upgrading a unit and getting less than what it currently has would not be cool, but that’s not what Alexios meant so don’t read that reply

Somebody on reddit doesn’t like the Persian Savar.

The Crusader Knight would be cool though

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Looks to be different people.

I support Shaun the sheep sheep.

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err, Byz already lack blast furnace, not sure if them having even less attack is a good idea. If anything they should have +2 attack to compensate for the lack of blast furnace.

Them lacking speed is terrible because infantries are already on the weak side because of slow speed. Their main job is to counter cav and if they can’t catch cav, what’s the point of this upgrade? if anything, this is a huge degrade.

having extra pierce armor is fine maybe +1 but not extra hp. These guys already have -25% discount, no need to have extra hp on top.

I would actually give them a passive ability of -10% population just like Savar and legionaire having their own unique ability.

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My aim is to have the Skoutatoi as a tankier version of the Halberdier, so them not having as much damage as halbs is my way of balancing them. I did consider that slower movement speed would be a large weakness for them, but I’d rather increase either their HP or pierce armor more to a sufficient level.

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Their halbs are already cheaper. Again the last thing Byzantines need is more defensive overlill

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Though not super historically accurate for the Teutons. Most religious military orders (i.e. Templars, Hospitallers) had origins in France, not the Holy Roman Empire.

Don’t forget the Spanish Holy Orders, there were quite a few founded there…

That’s correct, but the Crusader Knight that the game represented are the Ritterbruder from the Teutonic Order which indeed aligned with the civ Teutons
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but Byzantines are a defensive civ, this just highlights their role…

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Why do they have peacock feather on their helmet? Did they go to India?