Coule those GCs with Pikes, and no Cavalry even gets near.
GCs deal so much damage to Cavalry, and because they are Ranged Units they have such a multiplying damage potential, that if you speed up their training time, they really break the game.
Cavalry and Gunpowder civs have no chance against Italians. I am actually convinced that Italians needs strong, sweeping nerfs, as they are too OP.
5 versus 12 and they win? Just because can land multiple shots? And assuming they have ballistics. Yes and with pikes that cost resources to be upgraded.
Oh and elite skirmishers counter both GE and pikes.
And again, why other UU archers have such low training times?
And what nerf are you suggesting?
2-3 Castles worth of production, and you can easily counter 7-10 Stables worth of Paladins.
They are that OP. Not even a joke.
Italians also have FU Skirmishers, with the Pavise UT, so ALL their Archers are very hard to take down, no matter what units you use, and their Skirmishers are always better than yours, unless you are Aztecs.
I do not even know, but Italians are just like Chinese, EVERYTHING they make is good, except their Navy.
Their Navy is GREAT!
Pavise donât affect ES, so their are FU, but standard, and only in deatmach you can build 3 castles from nothing, in normal games you have to wait a lot before amassing them, the problem is in castle age, when you have only one.
And, with the exception of navy, everything is standard.
Pavise does affect Elite Skirmishers, check the Wiki.
False, all they miss is Paladin, Halberdier a few Siege options (but have cheap BBCs) and Siege Engineers. They are super close to Full Tech Tree.
actually if any nerf is considered then aybe that pavise does not affetc e skirms.
italians are really good.
Unique Unti against cav
cheap HC and arbs with extra armor against infantry
conditiorie against gunpowder
cheap bombard cannon against siege
superb navy
FU skirms and Hussar for trash wars (halbs are not needed in trash wars)
they are insanely good and other civs are worse, there win rate is also fine
they dont have any unit type where they do not have a above average answer to it.
there only âweaknessâ is their bad mobillty but even here they have FU Hussar for eco raids
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Even then, their regular Archers are still strong against enemy Elite Skirmishers, which become a much softer counter.
Italians Imp Age is broken OP.
We either let it be, or nerf it, because they seriously need no buffs.
Chech the changelog
Yes they have a lot but nothing out of the ordinary, or a really strong push with a units.
Skirmisher page says Pavise affects it.
Italian archer good against ES? Are you serious?
The last one. Not anymore
Probably is old, try on game.
skirmishes are not affected.
well then italians do not have an above average answer to archers, âonlyâ FU skirms and FU Hussar, against their own above average arabalest.
If this is their only weakness then i should really play them more often.
True, they have no weaknesses.
Their weaknesses is that they donât have anything strong, being a bit good on everything is not always a good thing, they need a viable trump card.
Are you joking?
Anti-Cavalry Archer UU, anti-Gunpowder UU, Stronger than normal FU Arbalests, 20% discounted Gunpowder units (which they have them ALL), great Navy, great Economy, cheap`Age Ups, and cheap Fishing Ships + Docks Tech.
Italians are bonkers strong, and have everything exceptional. They even have FU Hussars if you need them.
Check their win rates on 1v1
Yes except water isnât on all maps, you donât always arrive in imp and to gunpowder, and again, compare the UU archers with the GE, some of them are even stronger.