If we speak about smurfs we most likely just need to look at players with comparably low elo, low amount of games but high winrate. So players at about elo 1300 + don’t have to face smurfs often. Most smurfs don’t reach these elos.
On the other hand we need to see that smurfs lower the game experience for new players who want to learn the game and get bashed. That’s not good for the franchise if new players are tuned off by getting “bullied”.
The whole crux is that you can only detect smurfs (if they are made “correctly” when they already made the damage).
SO what we need is a “anti-smurf” culture. We maybe need to bully the smurfers themselves possibly. Make jokes about them having fear of facing opponents “at their level of play” and can’t lose. I think that the majority of the playerbase actually has a comparably high “losing tolerance”, so if we just make it all together culturally virtuous to stand the man in defeat, we probably get rid of the smurfs in multiple ways. First they may be more motivated to build up their character but also they don’t get the feedback they are looking for.
As far as my observation goes, bullies thrive by their victims feeling “beaten up”, they like seeing them suffer. So if nobody complains about being bashed by a smurf but just says “gg wp”, the smurfs don’t get the feedback they want, which is the anger from the people they bullied.
So your Suggestion is to bully the bullies and degrade ourself i mean uuh sure i dunno…
I have a high tolerance when it comes to loosing but i would also mute player who talk smack or just ignore them
Sometimes people need to be confronted with their own reflection to learn. It’s not about degrading to their state but some kind of “educational rigor”.
Surely it’s not ideal, but sometimes we need to evolve our own predator to ensure we don’t become victims. That’s how the world works. If you can’t push others you will be pushed around by them who find joy in it. It doesn’t matter if you perceive it as a degration of yourself it will just come over you.
Which is fine. I personally prefer to face them off. But everybody has his own strategies. As long as you don’t provoke bullies by showing them your “vulnerability” everything is a good strategy to deal with it.
They don’t smurf for content creation only, they smurf cause several reasons, you guys have a terrible misconception of why people needs more than one account, smurfing is positive for the game activity and that is a fact, without the ability to start using another account, high elo players wont be playing that much which will be traduced to less active players, you guys are probably happily sitting on the low elos where you can get games on your level most of the time, but that is not the case for other players and they often need alternative accounts for practicing off radar, warming up, de rusting, playing with low elo friends, strategy development, the reasons are plenty and all of them are actually justified and overall those actions do more good than bad.
Smurfing is something as old as the game, prior any big event in the past the experts were forced to create new accounts to practice their strats and get games running, until now that is still something going.
Smurfing to point trading is different and any account used for that purpose should be reseted, we had that in voobly, but even if you guys claim voobly was outdated it was more protective of their playerbase and made all those pathetic behaviors not worthy, the ban of a cheater on DE is worth 15 days, after that he can come back and cheat once more, the big difference is the lack of moderation from the creators and admins of the game, plain and simple.
@SouMexican you obviously missed the point again were we dont judge pros for it but people who stay in lower elos to farm wins against people who dont know all the strats yet and how are they are supposed to win in 1100 or 1200 against a 2500 smurf with far more knowgledge the whole point is that it is no longer condoable to the fact that people only do it to stomp
Also people in 2k+ can wait like 10 minute and reset if they find something they should play it out and not abuse a system to stomp lower level player just stay on your true elo wait and have matches that fit your elo Dont bully low elo members to the point that they dont wanna play anymore
You referring to team games or 1 vs 1s?
Both, smurfing is slightly different for each, but it’s still a problem.
The team game is an easy fix. (500 elo limit on premade teams from the lowest and highest player, and new accounts made under family share start out with the highest elo account available, that paired with the current(to be improved) system of not being able to just drop elo by insta-quitting would help team games greatly.
Followed up by a 2k elo limit plus a secondary counter that doesn’t effect who you’re placed against nor limit who you can ally with (system will count you as 2k so you’ll be able to ally with a 1500+ elo player regardless of how high the second counter is) this will remove the current inflation problem in team games alongside a team-game elo reset.
The same limit may be placed on 1 vs 1 ranked tho without a reset due to inflation not being too high there.
(Elo beyond 2k would be added to the secondary counter)
The 1 vs 1 smurfs tend to not be beyond 1300, so tho 2k+ smurfs he states exist, if any - are very very few in number.
Smurfing in 1 vs 1 tends to happen most likely between 800-1200 and are not sighted often, at least from my playthrough of those ranks
Smurfing is most often in lobby games due to the lack of a visible unranked ranking. 1 vs 1 is a far cry from being the worst area, and team games still fall short of the numbers of lobby smurfs with no ranking.
That being said - regardless of what elo you are - on the ranked lobby system the teams must be fully up to the lobby host as far as balance - so no restrictions there for who you can be allied with. More info for lobby hosts is of the most importance of all these issues.
They don’t smurf for content creation only, they smurf cause several reasons, you guys have a terrible misconception of why people needs more than one account, smurfing is positive for the game activity and that is a fact, without the ability to start using another account, high elo players wont be playing that much which will be traduced to less active players, you guys are probably happily sitting on the low elos where you can get games on your level most of the time,
This is totally not true as the current matchmaking system will assign whatever the opponent elo is when the queuing time is long enough, there’s nothing about not getting a match in rank.
but that is not the case for other players and they often need alternative accounts for practicing off radar, warming up, de rusting, playing with low elo friends, strategy development, the reasons are plenty and all of them are actually justified and overall those actions do more good than bad.
I really not understand why you need a 2nd, 3rd, 4th account doing that, I always use my main to practice different BO, different strategy, different civs, no matter rust hand, drunk, or sick. Even I got a elo drop or anything, my elo will eventually get back where I should be.
While you claim you do more good than harm by smurfing, again, as I have already emphasized many times, have you ever really thought about how many games are ruined by the smurfs first 10 games, 20 games, or even 50 games? we are talking about many players 's game are ruined while favoring ONLY ONE person’s desire?
Smurfing is something as old as the game, prior any big event in the past the experts were forced to create new accounts to practice their strats and get games running, until now that is still something going.
If a smurf account not going to rank queue and ruining others, just doing single player campign or custom game with their friends, it’s no problem at all. This is always what we stand for.
Smurfing to point trading is different and any account used for that purpose should be reseted, we had that in voobly, but even if you guys claim voobly was outdated it was more protective of their playerbase and made all those pathetic behaviors not worthy, the ban of a cheater on DE is worth 15 days, after that he can come back and cheat once more, the big difference is the lack of moderation from the creators and admins of the game, plain and simple.
Smurfing to point trading is different?
As I have already mentioned above, this is super weird when you saying that, you are trying to mistake about the outcome of the “ridiculous elo push” and trying to hide about “the games they ruined”.
The only difference between 1v1 and TG smurf is that there is no elo push only, the common harm about “ruining the games” remains.
If they found a hack about increasing their elo without playing a game, I wont even bother to waste time speaking out as I dont care as long as these smurfs are not in the game.
The main reason why people hating smurf because it’s ruining other gaming experience, whatever you stated any reasons, it’s all about “yourself”, it’s totally selfish. We are talking about a SINGLE smurf ruining MANY different players’ experience.
this is somehow I am trying to do that, to create the anti-smurf culture.
Yea maybe the anti smurf culture is an interesting idea but dont know yet how it would land against stubborness
1- Positive for a few, negative for most.
2- so what you’re saying is that since they have long queues to get them a fair match because of their high elo, they’d rather not wait and choose to smurf and play matches that they can win using their nose to click the hotkeys?
3- practicing → Unranked / private lobby /quickplay
4- warming up → Unranked / private lobby /quickplay
5- de rusting → Unranked / private lobby /quickplay
6- Low elo friends → Unranked / private lobby / Ranked /quickplay, whatever
7- strat development → Unranked / private lobby /quickplay
For all the reasons you gave, only 1 account is necessary in MY opinion. (ﾟДﾟ*)ﾉ
Besides they can smurf how many times they like if they buy new copies of the game, no one is going to stop them. However 5 free smurf accounts should not exist → Block family share.
But the culture mustn’t be lead by indignation.
If this is the case it will only amplify the effect and divide.
Cause then there would be a culturised “victim” structure that opposes the perpetrators which leads to a positive feedback loop.
If the goal is to get rid of smurfs we need a culture of not giving them the feedback they want/expect. And indignation is actually exactly what they want, so…
As I said, some people only learn if their own behaviour has a negative feedback on themselves. Which is basically impossible to achieve via the internet. But something lige stigmatising noob bashing as a pathetic attempt of the poor minded to compensate for their small xxx can work. Maybe this exact formulation is against the forum rules and I’m sorry for that.
But thats how I see it. Somebody with a healthy mindset doesn’t needs to bash noobs for his self esteem. And the only way to raise your self esteem is by working on yourself and show yourself that you can do better. Cause this feeling lasts. Bashing noobs only gives you short time confidence as you push down others - the fatal thing about it is that this feeling doesn’t lasts long. You need to permanently push others down to establish the well-feeling you aim for. At the same time it slowly destroys your mind as it manifests your low self esteem as an incontrovertible default. So if somebody acts like this for too long, he will be afflicted by this mindset.
Imo these people actually need our help to find a way out of that negative spiral. And sometimes only harsh words that inflict wounds can make that kind of wakeup call to people.
So appearently they closed and unpinned the alt f4 topic but isnt it kinda connected like both create a toxic inniative
Can we please stop to conclude cruel intentions on everything other than ourselves preferences?
Fair but other then that most people try to solve it with their intend instead of generalizing it