Some of the things that should be addressed (as of may 10, 2025)

[AbuzzJam4677680]

@TrustfulMango90

listen to the feedback

Devs

[AbuzzJam4677680]

@TrustfulMango90

These civilisations are: Chinese, Japanese, Turks, Vikings, Mayans, Koreans, Magyars, Slavs, Romans, Khitans, Jurchens

Specially, they can introduce gokturks and Tibetians in Chinese campaigns, which will be like pre DE Burgundians

[GustavusAdolphus]

I hate everything about the 3K civs and the Khitans. But don’t mess with the Feitorias! They’re fun. I don’t see any problem with them.

[Siegelad4112]

@TrustfulMango90

For Celts I think 2 more scenarios added to William Wallace campaign would suffice. But there is nothing really where Celts can be properly showcased in single player, apart from a very simple Falkirk).

Nah I still think Celts could get a proper campaign like Robert the Bruce or Brian Boru unlike Vikings who got loads of scenarios already from V&V.

[TrustfulMango90]

@Siegelad4112

Nah I still think Celts could get a proper campaign like Robert the Bruce or Brian Boru unlike Vikings who got loads of scenarios already from V&V.

I wholeheartedly agree. The thing is, Kotyan Khan, Joan of Arc, Genghis Khan and several other central characters died before the final scenario, Kotyan died in the middle of his campaign. So Bannockburn and the years in between Falkirk and Bannockburn could be added to William Wallace without any issue. I’d say 3-4 scenarios would work best, but something is something. Though I sincerely wonder, why did we get victors and vanquished with such a Viking RPG spam, but nothing for Celts?

[CitingOregano34]

Harald Hardrada would be perfect for a campaign.

[TrustfulMango90]

yeah, for Vikings:) For celts, there are plenty of possibilities, I think. But a lot of good Viking ones have been covered in historical battles. Ugh. Harald, to be fair, seems a bit underwhelming.

[CitingOregano34]

Just for the enemy variety alone I think it’s a good idea. He fought in Scandinavia, all over the Mediterranean and finally in Britain, and there could be a connection to the Hastings scenario, using some nostalgia factor to make it more exciting.

[JasuniSmith]

@TrustfulMango90

It says “try not to add them”, it does not say “remove them”, “do not add them”, “game breaking” or “hate”. It’s perfectly fine if you disagree with some of the points I made, and to have a discussion, but there’s really no need to make up your own arguments, which you present as someone else’s, and which you then debunk. I also feel like it’s more like you don’t want to see what I found objectionable - and it’s not really these bonuses/unique technologies, but their nature.

So what you’re saying is that you dislike the nature of these bonuses, but don’t want the already-existing ones (including the new ones) removed from the game?

@SolvableDrake28

Well they will if enough people are calling for it

And they would add them back in if enough people call for it. Which I personally suspect is what would happen (given the way AoE2 sales jumped).

Banning them from ranked would also likely lead to them being banned in tournaments. And I’d like to have Wu/Wei/Shu (eventually) available in tournaments.

[SolvableDrake28]

And plenty of people (myself included) don’t want Wei Shu Wu in tournaments just as Greek civil sin the chronicles DLC are not in tournaments.
They should hold a vote then, for people who play multiplayer ranked, to decide whether to include Wei Shu Wu in ranked or not.

[Lesrot8259]

I thought no one liked the dlc, by apparently I was wrong, theres been dozens of people using the civs, we people here are very vocal, but theres thousands that bought the dlc. The approval of the dlc is better then return of rome even, which was not liked either. The three kingdoms are going nowhere, they may not release something like this again, but this civs are staying.

[AbuzzJam4677680]

@Lesrot8259

theres been dozens of people using the civs, we people here are very vocal

I read from a reddit post.

https://www.reddit.com/r/aoe2/s/Y2CMgSB8bp

This DLC attracts new East Asian players to buy base game. This means that original community dump this DLC while new players embrace it. New players is less likely to appear in reddit community and this forum.

[FlexedPigeon206]

@AbuzzJam4677680

This DLC attracts new East Asian players to buy base game. This means that original community dump this DLC while new players embrace it. New players is less likely to appear in reddit community and this forum.

I feel like new players who only came for the 3 Kingdoms aren’t sustainable. There are many games I bought but not played. I bought aoe4 but had zero hours played – even though thinking maybe some day on a whim I’d play a bit of aoe4.

For the better or worse, the base game meta is just too established and hard to enter besides exclusively single-player modes. In that case, I still don’t see why 3K is not in a separate tab/mode like chronicles – it wouldn’t have gotten people so mad (except those who really want 3K in ranked).

[AbuzzJam4677680]

@FlexedPigeon206

I still don’t see why 3K is not in a separate tab/mode like chronicles

Lawsuit issue perhaps. They promised 5 new civs for ranked play. They can add 3 from Tanguts/Dali/Gokturks/Tibetians in this DLC update actually to make 5 in total. Then move 3K to chronicles.

[Horapallas]

@FlexedPigeon206

I feel like new players who only came for the 3 Kingdoms aren’t sustainable. There are many games I bought but not played. I bought aoe4 but had zero hours played – even though thinking maybe some day on a whim I’d play a bit of aoe4.

For the better or worse, the base game meta is just too established and hard to enter besides exclusively single-player modes. In that case, I still don’t see why 3K is not in a separate tab/mode like chronicles – it wouldn’t have gotten people so mad (except those who really want 3K in ranked).

I completely agree. The thing though is that now, players in ranked are going to get used to them and it’ll become difficult to remove. That’s why I’m quite angry at a release that can only hardly be corrected.

[GustavusAdolphus]

Lawsuit is not possible. It is written in the terms of service that the contents of the DLC can be changed at any time. You agree to this when you purchase it.

[KnightPandaMage]

Great list ! i agree. I also don’t like the ignore armor concept.

[TrustfulMango90]

oh, me neither, but a unit with low attack/armor or something like that that completely ignores armor is not a bad thing to be perfectly honest. Or better, if it ignored 50% of the armor, that would have been the best approach in my opinion. After all, having a ridiculous bonus against a certain unit type will have more or less the same effect, except that it usually gets much more focused with a more significant output.

[Lesrot8259]

Yeah but youre forgetting aoe2 broke a record this week, I dont know if its sustainable but theres that.

[KHANATTILA]

@TrustfulMango90

Or better, if it ignored 50% of the armor

that’s what they did with bleeding