the point is that if cost changes doesn’t impact the unit as you say, nerfing eagles by raising the price isn’t going to do anything. so there is no reason to raise the price.
Eagles are different role with different states.
doesn’t matter. you just admitted twice that changing a units price doesn’t change the impact the unit has. for two different units. therefore raising the price of the eagle, at least according to your logic, wouldn’t impact the unit at all. therefore there is no reason to raise the price of the eagle.
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Because the best thing to balance Eagles is the cost, but you can’t do the same with Samurai. You can’t give all illness people the same medicine.
yeah because so many people think eagles are a problem. oh wait. no they don’t
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On one hand it’s true that the bonus is hard to use as a lot of UUs can beat samurai anyway, but on the other hand it’s a unique feature in the game so it would be kinda sad to see it disappear just like that. I think a cost reduction so that it can keep up with champs would be a fine first step.
What about that the Samurai attack 17% faster (I mean this will be their new bonus, they attack 17% faster and with the bonus of Japanese 33% it will attack 50% faster). I think this will make them much better and deal better damage against all units, it still better than their bonus vs UUs.
What about this? I think it is much better. I mean give it a bonus 17% attack faster this will be their new role and by their original 33% it will be 50%.
how does that help them have a role? they would be better against non UU infantry and cavalry, but you already have arbs and pikes for that, both of which do better.
against archers nothing is changed, they still get wrecked. against unique units they are now worse.
Because this bonus will include their bonus vs UUs too.
I suppose making samurai even higher quality compared to champs could be a good idea, but I don’t think it requires the anti-UU bonus to go away, like just reduces it so that Japanese don’t become a civ win against civs that use infantry UU.
The new bonus will fill the role too because it will be for all (I guess).
so in that case you are definitely lieing about earlier when you said that this wouldn’t be a buff to the unit.
It is making their specific bonus more general but not the same. Samurai have +10 bonus attack vs other UUs, but the +17% that I suggest will not be like +10 (it is hard to calculate how much attack the +17% more attack speed will give them), but I guess it will be less than +10 attack (like their original bonus vs UUs).
it would be less. far less. like i said, its a nerf against unique units. at 50% faster attack, it would go from 1.45 it is now to something like 1.3 not that big of a buff. so you’re trading a little bit faster attacks for less damage. against unique units the extra damage will always be superior.
Which is why I already wrote this topic, because the bonus vs UUs is useless, so make their role that thay attack faster against all.
except you know, against cavalry unique units, huskarls, berserks, woads, etc.
They already kill all these units so what is the new here? And about Cavalry UUs who is the clown who wants to make Samurai vs them?!
if you remove the unique unit bonus, they don’t neccesarily win anymore
let’s look at the berserk.
the samurai now does 12 base + 4 blacksmith + 12 bonus - 2 from base armor -3 from blacksmith armor for 23 damage a swing.
after your change they would do 12 base + 4 blacksmith - 2 from base armor - 3 from blacksmith for 11 damage a swing. do you think a slightly faster attack is going to make up for the lost 12 damage?
they literally beat even cataphracts cost effectively, you know, the unit who resists bonus damage? so how do you think they would do against any other cavalry?
Which I already mentioned this point in my topic, what will make you the Samurai as Japs instead of Champs or Arbs vs other infantry?! And I said that the Samuria will attack 50% faster, so literally will wreck any infantry.
Why whould you make Samurai vs Cataphract and how many do you see Cataphracts?! Arbs kill Cataphs and Japs have FU Arbs and FU CA, even Jap Halbs do well vs Cataphs.