unique units? samurai would wreck them harder then champs or arbs would.
huskarls?
which is a very minor buff from where they are now. samurai are currently at 1.45. increasing that 50% means they attack at 1.3. not that big of a change.
yeah they will do better against champs. yeah they will do better vs pikes.
but i’d make arbs against those anyway.
because samurai actually win vs cataphracts. and you only need like 2 to 1 advantage to win.
Japs better than anyone with their generic units already.
Which is better than a bonus for ONLY UUs.
No need for this already, generic units hold this, and again vs mounted unite Samurai is laughable, better go CA and Halbs as Japs especially they are cheaper and don’t need 650 stone.
Samurai is much better than a champion, so if you can afford it you should make it.
It is produced really fast and has a bonus that helps vs UUs.
Playing against Japs is tricky because they have some options that negate melee UUs and almost cavalry, because of their strong albs.
I’m not saying that samurai is a great unit, but surely has his role in killing every infantry and every melee UUs, that for some civs are really important.
Some civs can’t play their UUs because of Samurai, just like with some civs you decide to not make cavalry because of the Genoese Crossbows. Probably the Italian player will go for Arbalester, because is easy to mass, but in case he has this option if the opponent make cavalry.
no they aren’t. Burmese champs beat Japanese champs as an example.
and samurai win harder. and more cost effectively.
yeah a champion will beat a huskarl. it will kill a huskarl in 5 hits.
a samurai will beat that same huskarl in 3 hits.
so your change is a huge nerf vs unique units.
better against what? champs and pikes only. units which you can use your arbs to win against.
You can play with the rate, rather than being +17% make it 27% and with 33% it will be 60% faster attack.
Yeah but as a Jap player why would you make Samurai vs mounted units rather than Halbs?! And most of the useable UUs are ranged one which make the Samurai role useless.
you do realize that attack % increase has diminishing returns right?
33% brings it down to 1.45 from 1.9.
making them attack 100% faster takes that down to 0.95. that means that anything from 33% to 100% only gives you an attack speed increase of 0.5.
think about that.
at a time when i don’t have time to tech from spear to halb and need a response now.
samurai come out in 9 seconds each before conscription.
Samurai is strong Infantry BECAUSE of this bonus. And Japs have the strongest Infantry in the game because of Samurai having this bonus. This is theirs wild card against other Civs wild cards.
Lets compare to some other Infantry Civs
Other Civs:
With all due respect, until now I didn’t find a single argument make you as a Japanese player go with Samurai against other UUs to get the benefit from the bonus.
What you said the generic Japs infantry can do well against those units not only Samurai (except Aztecs UU; Beserk and Serjant barely win vs Jap Champ (sometimes Champ win)) but as a generic unit Japs have the advantage) and which I said that Japs have great champions in the front and FU Arbs/CA in the back which make the Samurai very rare choice to go vs Jaguars or other UUs. The generic units for Japs will remain the best choice at all stages in the game.
Well they are situational and because their bonus is only vs UUs will make going with them is very narrow and rare choice to go with. I think vs Aztecs Jags at best case.
why would i tech into champs (which cost hordes of time and resources) to back them up with arbs to beat infantry unique units, when i could just pump out samurai, when even a castle age samurai will do better against unique units then a champion will?
How many times do you see players go with UU infantry in castle age?! Or even generic infantry?! Already the Japs will have the advantage in castle with their xbows and generic longswords. Infantry units in the whole game are very rare to see so how about the infantry UU ones?! Regardless the spend of 650 stone in castle age of course.
i was talking in imperial even.
against unique units even a castle age samurai (as in non elite) would be better then using champs. they have 18 attack base (as in no blacksmith upgrades), vs the champs 13, and attack faster too.
on top of that, i can train 2 of them out of each castle in the time 1 barracks can pump out a champion.
not to mention champion requires me to research (I’m assuming the person opened MaA into archers per standard), LS, THS, and Champion. and probably supplies.
so yeah - even non elite samurai would be a better option.
Maybe this guy is just Equalizer pretending to be a better person.
doesn’t change anything.
I think the Samurai is a good unit and fits well into the Japanese civ. They have good infantry (faster attacking halbs is dangerous to cavalry), good archers (not lacking any important upgrades), usable CA (not lacking any important upgrades), decent trash overall (their light cav is bad, but their halbs are better at taking out cav), so the Samurai is a decent counter to the things that the regular units aren’t good at dealing with.
If Samurais need to be buffed, then jaguars, berserks and woads need to be buffed as well.
Do i think they should be buffed? Sure, but the other ones need it even more than samurais.
Well Japanese halberdiers are the best in the game so they completely outclass samurai when it comes to countering cavalry unique units, while champions, arbs, hand cannons, and heavy cav archers are there to counter enemy infantry. And ofc elite skirms and siege will always be better at killing enemy archers than samurai. So their niche is actual super tiny because Japanese already got tons of stuff.
Imagine thinking woads and berserks are worse than samurai lol
i dont have to imagine
Woads walk 33% faster for costing 38% more than longswords.
Berserks move 17% faster and regenerate 1 hp every 3 seconds for costing 38% more than longswords AND having 13% lower HP than longswords.