Does anyone else feel like since Persephone is in the game, Hades should be able to advance using her now? I mean it would just make sense. And if I’m being honest, feels pretty off not letting him do so. I imagine it could make some long time Hades players upset, but I think it would make the game better.
If one had to be replaced, my guess would be Artemis. Since he relates to Hades the least in theology from what I understand. Anyway thanks for reading and let me know your thoughts.
There are some post about this with some mixed opinions, one of those includes a poll (with frankly not many total votes) either way, in case you want to check those out
This is a good point, I didn’t really think about the DLC angle and monetization issue. This idea is interesting, but I’m wondering how it would translate to competitive play. Maybe they could also just leave one or 2 minor gods to each DLC character so that they always have something unique and you can’t play without the DLC. Like Demeter keeps Pan for instance and Lykaon as her unique demigod and you have to play her to use that unit. Regardless they will always have their unique mechanics (God powers, heroes, etc)
I also agree that the mentality of trying to keep the old gods exactly how they were in every detail is damaging to the game. If there are changes that would align with their designs better, and make their gameplay more rich, then ideally they should be implemented (carefully). The old game will be there for anyone who wants to play it.
While I think that would be lore-accurate, you have to look it from implementation standpoint. How would someone have access to Persephone if they don’t buy Demeter? It cannot work.
I agree with this, the argument that keep it because i dont like change is not really much of an argument.
Thats not my argument thou (can only speak for myself after all)
It doesnt make it more rich. You are Just swaping designs, the amount of total options is the same (ending on how its implemented) and besides lore, gameplay and design wise its not a good idea.
Most of the unique minor gods are tailored to synergize with the god they bring.
Some choices are restricted from other gods to avoid interactions. Zeus wirh ares would be quite the aggresion bonus.
Old loki with rag would be a myth unit fiesta
Ra with thot would be quite powerful with how his empowering mechanic works.
Theres diversity in uniquenes and restrictions imo. For some people thats nonesense, for others it is. Its a preference. But at least i dont think beyond the lore, theres much reason to do the change, and after all its a game first, gameplay, game design, game balance and the companies monetization matters as well.
I dunno how much of the people that want persephone actually care about the whole kit it brings and more so of the hathor/sobek dynamic of having a re skin of the minor god and name change
Zeus with Ares and Cyclops will be so strong lol
Swapping minor gods would be a nightmare to balance.
I have nothing to say on given Pheresphone to Hades since a lot of people have already given great takes on that situation. However, taking Artemis from Hades? Gameplay wise, stacking archery buffs through Hades with Ares, Apollo, and Artemis is a very popular thing to do. Even if not that combo, her archery set alongside Hades’ is still a very popular thing.
In terms of Theology, if we remove Artemis from Hades, this would make Artemis an exclusive pick to Poseidon, which would be then awkward on its own right.
Yeah that’s a valid point. But also, you’re getting at the point I’m trying to make. It’s odd to have demigods only belonging to 1 major god. And even more strange that Hades can’t advance through his wife. What if it were Hephaestus instead of Artemis? Do you think that would be more balanced or fun?
The lore & casual crowd drives a lot of initial interest in a game causing to become more popular and also drives sales for many games. When I was a kid getting into this game I never once thought: “I wonder which is the most optimal tech build for Hades to maximize my archer’s strengths?” I thought, “shades are really cool, and it’s cool that I can summon these sentinels around my base.” The flavor and lore are the driving force behind a games popularity and it’s what makes people excited to play it in the first place. Look at Smash Bros for instance, before any competition emerged, people were just excited that they could absorb powers as Kirby. Because of that, a massive competitive scene and meta emerged with sponsored players and prize money. Casuals uphold the bottom of the pyramid which professional players stand on. The competitive meta gets built after it.
with this i would like to ask, do you actually want the specific kit the god gives or if lets say artemis kept its bonuses and just had a re skin like sobek / hathor did it would suffice?
Yep! This would be my personal pick if one had to go for Persephone. I apologize for not mentioning it in the original post, but yes I like the idea of Hades getting Persephone to replace Hephaestus now that 75% of the Greek Roster has him. This would go along with your point of adding flavor and variety to the game,
I agree completely. I am in fact part of the casual crowd, I have 0 competitive matches played and I know I picked up the super archer ideas playing with casuals in the community. In 1v1s, the super archer idea is probably far from optimal as that will probably leave you with a huge weakness. I was representing my interest in keeping Artemis as a casual who enjoys playing the video game.
While your personal experience may have not included liking Hades for archers, there are a lot of people who do think things like that and are casuals. Thinking about how you can play the game doesn’t stop you from being a casual. I see so many players online who were drawn to the mythology aspect but end up choosing X character so they can mass produce one or two unit types because that’s where their enjoyment in the video game is.
Therefore, I think it’s safe to say not the entire casual community is represented by wanting this change. There is a big crowd who would like to see this change, and I’m in it, but there is also a big crowd of people who didn’t even know who Demeter was until the pack came out.
I as a mostly casual player, who’s learning the competitive scene slowly but mostly a spectator. Iwould like to see Hades be able to use Persephone’s God power in competitive tournaments or even just my own unranked matches. When I first saw it I was thinking like wow that is cool, I wish Hades could use that as well. And imagine some Hades player using it to make a big comeback, man it would be so cool.
Though I’m hearing people out, and as more other players are leaning to replacing Hephaestus since it wouldn’t disrupt Hades identity as ‘the archer Greek pantheon’, I think I might now be more on the side with them. To me it’s not crucial as to which one is replaced as much as he fits more theologically coherently together.
To answer your question, it’s mostly about Persephone’s god power in specific as opposed to any specific units/upgrades of Artemis’ kit or Hephaestus, as well as coherent mythology.
Good news is that for that part is that until thats made, theres mods, which allow to customize gods However people like and enjoy.
Yea i assumed thst from a more casual stand point the rule of Cool reigns, even if its unbalanced, or makes a god worse Just having it for the Cool factor is gonna be something people want.
I do get how little balance matters in this aspect, since you can beat AI/more casual games with pretty much anything so its less impactful if things change.
Yea, thats half of them. People do enjoy being able to min max a single unit stacking upgrades on it.
The other half is people that Want actual meaningful gameplay choice. Which heph gives. Persephone, hera and Artemis give a similar Kit, you have a great power spike in the god power and then try to end games early.
If Persephone were more hearted towards a slow finish and not a sort of all in one heph would feel redundant and not needed. But thats currently not the case.
Its not the flashy option between the most Cool god powers, but it is a nice option yo have gameplay wise.
Yea it seems Just about the Cool factor, not much about all the other disadvantages it gives and the hurdles it creates.
Would be interesting how much things can change swaping minor gods around, who knows if its something they would consider doing. The biggest reason not to would be the whole dlc aspect given for free to others.
i’d agree with this if we do stuff like this for all civs and minor/major god connections. and i think they knew this that ppl would want this for x and y too if this exception would happen for persephone/hades.