People keep talking about alt f4 but imo it is only team games problem and it very rare to see.
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You pick maps based on the map, so you need to know the map to pick your civ. Many people likes to pick civs.
Loosing elo for droppers isnt the solution. It only makes the ladder a mess. It already happens (mainly in 1v1) that people just multiple games in a row, just to drop their elo, so they can bash noobs.
People pick civs, because they like to play with that civ on a certain map. So i will call this a bad side effect. Not a nice side effect.
In the end the best solution is just to give quitters a time penalty, so they cant join the queue for a while. I havent seen another good solution for this issue.
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Elo is not meant to be a punishment/reward. It is meant to accurately reflect player and create fair matches. You think itâs fair to match a 1400 Elo player vs a 1500 Elo because the 1500 Elo player has Alt-F4âd ?
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At least the other person has a chance to know and can pick accordingly. You can always log in random option just to make sure you donât get outcived all the time vs people who dont have random on. Your solution would be the most like unfair feature implemented because on some maps civs donât matter that much compared to others.
In a certain way it is. On arabia I donât experience it all too often, people who dislike it usually ban. But depending on the map pool when I got arena people altf4 out of it (probably they had other maps they dislike even more). Also in teamgames chances are way higher with 6 players for instance and 2 min is very optimistic here Iâd rather say like 4 min which adds up.
Yep, meaning completely redesigning the matchmaking system. With how it currently works more bans are not possible because matching doesnât consider maps (only elo). Youâd get longer queue times because of that but still worth it imo.
but then you could no longer main a certain civ specifically on a certain map, i think that would be too restrictive
being able to choose civ + choose position has ruined most of the balance of teamgames
knowing the map before civ selection is only needed if you are being too try-hard and purposefully picking civs that just exploit the gimmick of the map. leave that stuff for 1v1
TG should be played with random civs + random positions
the DE maps are not balanced enough in terms of economic options for civ-picking (and certainly not for position-picking). Ensemble designed the game for maps like coastal where lots of civs had different bonuses. this concept of the blank land map with zero food options and forced farming is why every game on DE is just a mirror of frank knight spam + foodless xbow spam
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Sounds to me you all play to well. If you manage to suck enough we have really exciting tg at less then 800 elo. You dont have to wait forever and we play the map presented. If it wasnât yours then it was the other persons favorite. You just play. Have fun and try crazy strategies.
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I think the âI pick my civ based on the mapâ-thing is again a pro vs casual thing. Like pros do it and casuals donât. Casuals usually play the civs they like the most (e.g. Teutons because theyâre German themselves) because they donât know which civ is better on each map while pros of course know this. So basically this is a pro vs casual discussion again. And the best solution would be of course a solution which suits both sides.
âProâ is a strong word. I would say its for players that are interested in improving and climbing, but think its their ELO that matters, so every game has to be played with the highest chance of victory instead of focusing on improving overall as a player.
I probably face Frank/Mayans, Frank/Britons in 80% of my 2v2 Arabia games, playing around 2600 TG ELO. My most common duo actually gets mad when we get another map and certainly cannot adapt. He basically has one strategy and whenever it fails, we tend to lose as he falls behind⊠And I notice the teams we face have very similar mindsets.
Every Four Lakes game we get I tend to stomp, whilst I notice all other 3 players are kinda lost on what to do, trying to play it as if it was Arabia.
I agree with you. Could you imagine on cod someone quitting every time they get a map other then their favorite, or fortnight if the bus doesnt travel the path to your favorite place.
Playing right now, Team ELO about 2000, Wednesday evening, I am currently looking to play my 2nd game for today, until now I already experienced Alt+F4 5 times. And my queue times usually range from 5-8mins. Now make it 5x that because somebody quits the game. Itâs a waste of my and everybody elseâs time. Thatâs why itâs incredibly furstrating. If you donât experience it, well lucky you! I just wasted almost half an hour of my short evening because some princess does not want to play on a certain map.
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Couldnât we allow for two bans, a primary ban that is always respected, a second, non-guaranteed ban that is only respected if all players together have more bans than possible maps (which will almost never be the case, because people usually ban the same maps).
Why? I think many people ban Black Forest, but also donât want to play water maps. So when a water map shows up, they ALT-F4. With this system, you would hardly every have this problem.
If itâs team game problem then say it clearly. And suggest changes to team games matchmaking. Donât touch 1v1.
Read initial post of this topic. Is there any word about team games? No!
Do you have this problem in 1v1? Then why do you suggest to change 1v1 too?!
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you can easily split the thematic into 4 or maybe 5 segways
- an differancial between player who play it casual in an tryhard enviroment or true tryhards that mostly play one map that they accel on
here its obviously hard to say whats right or wrong but people keep on the âArabia since 2013 trainâ or ev3n 99 but its not that probl3matic the probl3matic is am wrong incentiviced method of playing with an obviously inflation of team game elo that most people are rightfully upset about.
i mean we could reset the elo but that still would allow 2k player to play with 1k player which leads to a deficit of gained elo for one and lost elo for the people
- the maps
first of all let me say that all maps have a purpose some get used more some less and i think an set ranked enviroment under the ranked terms of service and conducts should not allow pwople to skip games with alt f4 just of their preference and i know people wanna just play arabia but does it really reflect the skill of adaptation and different strategys
- map picks and position choice
as the op allready said and i think i can agree.to some agree with it that there should be a solution not to people alt f4 because they get âsome noobsâ in their game with no stastistical help they can offer as everyone starts from a low point but as for right now the heavy influence of certain civ picks corrosponding to a map takes a bit of flavo
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- alt f4
i honestly belive that with a motion or this upsetti Spaghetti what is called aoe 2 de atm and a deranged systwm people use their frustration and anger over various things as an excuse to dodge games and ruin peoples fun is it not in conduct to make the game unenjoyable but to make it a place were people can play lobbys to learn variety play ranked with no inflation variety and no bad prejudgment to their wr aswell as an as i would call it api e of life map aswell as civ that make the game not too unappealing but also interesting and umpredictable
i also think that ego should ofc be less relecant no matter what elo you are be it a noob or someone with 2600 elo
and finally
- the community
i think feom what it stems right now the c8mmunity divided itself over ao much mischivous and ofc rightful stuff that is upsetting but let it be clear that even if ranked is an serious enviroment that should be played as best as you there is still nervous and hesitant people who refuse in any shape or form to help and or be guidance to these people and i think if the communication would get up a bit more it would also create a field were less say a good but less mp focused player could play and shouldt fear thaz he only get flamed or abolished and ignored by his mates who can definetly can be a constructive conduct of helpfulness and good mindsets to help a newer player progress
I know this is a repeated post but developers are not doing anything about it. We need to BAN them for 30 minutes from playing ladder or lobby games⊠Thats hopefully going to make them stop doing that, Iâve just wasted 30 minutes trying to play a game⊠Thats silly one of the thinks i used to like is that you can just start queue and jump quickly into a game without wasting time waiting in a lobby⊠But thats no longer trueâŠ
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I think the better way to fix this is to just give people who want to play 1 map the ability to do so. If someone wants to play only arena, Arabia or nomad just give them the option so they donât need to alt-f4. I think the one thing against what I suggest is that queuing time might increase.
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Agree with this suggestion. We need time bans for these players. I suggest a ladder with increasing length, starting with just some minutes and ending by multiple hours, maybe even days. But that scale is up to the devs to decised.
I have good news for you! You can already play one map only in multiplayer! That solution is called the lobby. So go and play in the lobby if you want to play one map only.
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next we need to remove the ability to pick civs
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Sure, I will login from my second account thenâŠ
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As if you wonât get banned from that account lol
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