The Alt+F4 Multiplayer Problem

[XuanZue]

@TheBiz1

the report button does nothing. it’s just cosmetic.

lol, check the threads of people banned.

[WoodsierCorn696]

@XuanZue

lol, check the threads of people banned

These threads are pretty rare at this forum. At least i dont really seem them really frequently. So if they complain, it is most likely not here.

Based on my own experience i also feel like the devs dont really do much with reports.

[XuanZue]

reports work, what is needed is a popup telling that the ban was issued. same like in dota2, or CSGO.

I just stopped playing AOE2 because this alt-f4 was never fixed (thank you devs, you did it!) But when I was playing the early resign was pretty rare in my games. like 1 in 30 or so.

[DjBillE]

@Rissen6157

Many multiplayer games also don’t set a moronic limit on map bans.

Maybe some people hate Black Forest, maybe some people only want Arabia, maybe some are looking for Nomad team games, others are tired of Arabia, others want water maps, others don’t want water maps. Who knows. Who really cares. They have their reasons.

This is the reason why there are less people queuing for team games, and you want to make it even harder to find games by temporarily banning people from the ladder for not playing the maps that you want, and by giving them an excuse to just avoid the team ladder altogether.

Think, Mark. Think

This is a very week argument to make. If you feel this why you should be for lobby games as it lets you play what ever against who ever. In many multiplayer games you dont even get to ban or pick the map you play on a ranked ladder.

[ReanuKeeves00]

That would make sense, if the map rotation was managed better, but occasionally all but 2-3 maps are the clone of one map. Then it is quite understandable when people just ALT+F4

[DjBillE]

I can get behind a better managed map rotation. I can even support someone wanting seperate ques though this idea i think is lesser. I can’t back or support someone who alt-f4 whether or not they like the map they get or if they like who they are partnered with. There is literally in game mechanics to fix this problem. Its just that people either don’t want to use them or have convinced themselves its a lesser option.

[Ulthos]

I am so glad I quit this game 18 months ago. The community still can’t respect other peoples choice of maps and make Pikachu faces when someone altF4. No one has the privilege to force others to play maps they hate. It is not about elo, inability to play other maps or ranking. People altF4 because they don’t enjoy playing that other map.

You have to allow players to queue for the exact map they like, all the time. People who like to play limited maps will wait more for sure, but if the wait is worth it for them why stop them? People who like to play multiple maps won’t get altF4ed so they will even get faster queue time.

[Atafas]

but the game is getting to one dimensional if player play only one map the ranked enviroment is about diversity performing to the peak on whatever map it is and i think people who dont respect that shouldt play ranked

[Ulthos]

@Atafas

but the game is getting to one dimensional if player play only one map the ranked enviroment is about diversity performing to the peak on whatever map it is and i think people who dont respect that shouldt play ranked

Give us an option to earn and loose some sort of elo which allows us to set up balanced games, we will never queue on ranked. But when we won’t queue on ranked some people will complain about waiting time getting longer. So you have to decide either AltF4, unlimited bans or more waiting time.

The people played the game one dimensional for 20 years and kept the game alive, I don’t think this is an issue.

[Atafas]

@Ulthos

Give us an option to earn and loose some sort of elo which allows us to set up balanced games,

play rankeds no matter the map duh

@Ulthos

But when we won’t queue on ranked some people will complain about waiting time getting longer. So you have to decide either AltF4, unlimited bans or more waiting time.

welp if there is More acceptens for all maps it might bring down the queue time a bit but the queue time isnt the problem neither does unlimited bans help as it creates a whole new problem of no existing maps that could match and well more queue time yes i know and respect that people have severe limited time and i guess there is a balance for the maps and all their usage that halfheartendly fix it

@Ulthos

The people played the game one dimensional for 20 years and kept the game alive, I don’t think this is an issue.

this is an delusional quote as in 20 years people struggled allready but it was in a decline on non communicational error to adress it and even now people want changes because after 20 years nothing can be stale

[Ulthos]

@Atafas

play rankeds no matter the map duh

Unfortunately, this is how a good portion of the community is. They can’t outright write that they like variety of maps and they are OK with others being forced to play them so they write no sense arguments.

[Atafas]

welp i mean like i said there is and was since hd a false mindset planted in heads that it mostly should resolve around one map but it doesnt. and it doesnt reflect the various amount of maps aoe2 maps that shouldt become redudant

[WoodsierCorn696]

@Ulthos

I am so glad I quit this game 18 months ago. The community still can’t respect other peoples choice of maps and make Pikachu faces when someone altF4. No one has the privilege to force others to play maps they hate. It is not about elo, inability to play other maps or ranking. People altF4 because they don’t enjoy playing that other map.

You have to allow players to queue for the exact map they like, all the time. People who like to play limited maps will wait more for sure, but if the wait is worth it for them why stop them? People who like to play multiple maps won’t get altF4ed so they will even get faster queue time.

Seems like you didnt know there is a lobby in which you can play whatever map you like with whatever settings you want. No one force players to stay in match making and play in match making only.

[Ulthos]

@WoodsierCorn696

Seems like you didnt know there is a lobby in which you can play whatever map you like with whatever settings you want. No one force players to stay in match making and play in match making only.

@Ulthos

Give us an option to earn and loose some sort of elo which allows us to set up balanced games, we will never queue on ranked.

Seems like you don’t read.

[Ulthos]

To summarise, this is a community problem. People are being ok with others being forced to play maps they don’t like rather than defending their choice. When others fight back with their only option to play(altF4), they complain and want them banned. The problem is when all of them are banned and the covid restrictions are over, I wonder how many of you will left to queue or to buy the new dlc.

[Atafas]

nobody said you were forced were is that delusional comment come from?

oh wait actually that minority that trys to push arabia as the one and only map. maybe thats were it is from

but nobody is forcing you but ranked enviroment should be about diversity not just one map it clearly got bypassed and forgotten but the problem wont go away that easy

[WoodsierCorn696]

@Ulthos

Seems like you don’t read.

Never heard about unranked elo? It is already part of the game, but not visible. Third parties like aoe2.net already show this rating. So you can already look it up easily. You can easily find your lobby and see the elo of all players.

[Ulthos]

@WoodsierCorn696

Never heard about unranked elo? It is already part of the game, but not visible. Third parties like aoe2.net already show this rating. So you can already look it up easily. You can easily find your lobby and see the elo of all players.

I wasn’t aware but why it is not visible? This can solve the altF4 issue if devs display it in game or implement themselves. Glad someone did that though and thank you for informing.

[SouBotsito]

I am going to give and advice, just make you complain and run away, don’t start a discussion cause it wont get you anywhere.

The humans around here don’t play the game in the same level than you or me, or else they would know that the game is falling apart, most of them don’t even play tg or multiplayer, they are never going to understand your point.

The thing is that the game is on its worse activity moment since release, the numbers don’t lie, we are losing more players.

Before the alt f4, there was a grace period of 1 minute, so you could resign without losing elo if you didn’t like ur allies or the enemies or the map, it was somewhat fair, when they removed the grace period(by request of few players here), the alt f4 became a thing.

I have been trying to make them understand, how forcing players to play bad maps with teams below your level is simple a waste of time, that anyone with enough gray matter would avoid, it is so wrong to keep trying it, it hasn’t worked and it is getting worse, the active community don’t like the same maps and they will never do, the skill gap is sometimes insane but yet the MM matches you vs a team +500 points higher on both tg and 1x1, things can’t continue like that.

On a side note, unranked and tg ladder ELO are broken and super inflated, cause you could just use the elo boost to skyrocket ur elo to 3k with few matches, both ladders needs a reset maybe just porting ur 1x1 elo to the other ladders instead of starting from 0 could be reasonable, cause those guys playing a 3.6k with a smurf ally with 1k elo to gain more points is just silly.

[DjBillE]

@Ulthos

To summarise, this is a community problem. People are being ok with others being forced to play maps they don’t like rather than defending their choice.

Once again with this weak argument if you want to play a certain map and wait time isnt a problem you have lobby games.