Well, yeah! I think Polish and Lithuanians could appear in AoeIV:
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As 2 separate Civs.- Lithuania existed in the Middle Ages as the “Grand Duchy of Lithuania” between “1236–1795” AD. Poland too from even earlier, with stripes from “1025-1569” AD. However, there is also another possibility:
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Poland-Lithuania (1370-1795).- Now, considering the political idiosyncrasy of that time, they could also emerge as a single civ known as “Republic of Two Nations”, or "Commonwealth of the Two Nations*… or simply Poland-Lithuania. Against the background of this I will explain it to you:
– In 1370, and even before, both kingdoms swore to merge in perpetuity. Although this was not made official until 1569, in practice both kingdoms signed new pacts every decade to make the union possible.
– The reason of that is because in the 14th century, after the so-called Baltic Crusades, both kingdoms, Lithuanian and Polish, suffered the invasion of the Kingdom of the Teutonic Order in Prussia, the Mongol Horde in the East, and politics problems with the crown of Hungary.
– In order to effectively combat all these adversaries, the pact was made to unite both countries. The detail is that at that time, the nobles had so much blood mixed between them that practically any descendant of the crown of both kingdoms could be king.
– As a curious note, originally the pact was going to be between Poland and Hungary, but as the Polish nobles considered last minute changes, it was decided to make the pact with Lithuania by marrying Jadwiga to Jogalia (Age II:DE Jadwiga Campaign).
– There are already some concepts in the forum, that of the 2 nations for example:
– Civ Concept: Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth
– Poland-Lithuanian Commonwealth-new civ concept FARM, CAVALRY, COLLECTIVISM
About the Dutch in AoE IV
Regarding the Dutch of Aoe III, first clarify which civilization descends from Aoe2, "Because we all descend from someone:
-They are the " Burgundians ": To understood that: Originally, the kingdom of Charlemagne (800 A.D.) was divided by his three sons into three kingdoms: France on the Left, France of the Center and France on the Right. Since they were HORRIBLE names, their rulers changed them to something cooler:
– France on the right → Carolingian Empire → Holy Roman Empire
– France of the left → France “the only one” —> Kingdom of France
– Central France —> Kingdom of Lothair —> NOTHING, it was divided into pieces, hehe
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Duchy of Burgundy.- Continuing the story, one of the pieces of Middle France was the Duchy of Burgundy, which was absorbed by the Kingdom of France. To the 13th century, this county was so economically prosperous that its nobles managed to buy more and more territories, until reaching the coast of the current Netherlands.
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Netherland?.- After the 100 Years War, the Burgundian guy who sold Joan to the English (the one from the campaign), Philip the Good, was invaded by the French king, Charles VII. However, like any Burgundian, Philip preferred to leave Charles, lose more than 50% of his lands to France and escape with the money to another county. This fact was so shameful that what was left of Burgundy considered it better to create its own country with stronger laws… curiously this proposal was made by the guy who preferred to cede ground to France than fight to defend it (Yes, that’s how lacking leaders was that new state). So already in 1464, merging with Flanders, the formation of the kingdom that would precede the Netherlands, or Dutch: “States General of the Netherlands” was proposed.
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Dutch when?.- Now, the transition between Burgundian States → Burgundian Netherlands → Republic of the Seven United Netherlands, has so many legal transitions that it is difficult to find a name for the civ that would be in AoeIV. Of course, I think it should be clear by now where the Dutch came from, they were not born from the air.
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Aoe2 Burgundy - Aoe3 Dutch connection: In fact, precisely because it is known that the Dutch derive from the Burgundians, they have the unique technology of Vineyards, to earn passive gold (in reference to the Dutch banks of AoE III), since the Middle Ages they have I loved making money in any way.
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And for Aoe IV?.-No idea. In fact, Dutch/Burgundy would be good enemies of Spain, France and the HRE, as well as the culprits of the 200-year confinement of Japan and many other misdeeds. Of course, I’m not sure if it would be better if there were 2 separate civs, one its beginning, and the other its variant. Let’s consider that the Dutch as a powerful state are already too far away from the period of the game (1550-1800), and the Burgundians themselves would not have much difference in technology with France… because they were part of France in theory. If anyone comes up with a concept for any of those civs, it will be welcome.