Thanks. I was wondering if it had any connection to the Yuan dynasty.
The “Yuan” of the Yuan Dynasty is just the same pronunciation as the monetary unit “Yuan” of RMB. It has no connection.
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Chinese dynasty names have different meanings. Most of them are words from classic ancient books. They means fine, great, long-term, peaceful, prosperous and powerful. “Yuan” in the Yuan Dynasty means “big” and “the first”. The “Yuan” in RMB does not mean that a coin is a circle, is a unit of money.
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It is a unit of money, of course. But it’s etymology stems from its roundness (stemming from the shape of a European coin, traditional coins have a hole in the middle and different set of words describing them). That’s why they use a symbol for circle. Karthikriyer was asking why is the currency called that way, which is a question of the word’s meaning. Even if the people today do not make the connection between the yuan in their pocket and the yuan they have to draw during geometry class.
Likewise, I would argue most dynasties were named geographically (imagine Germania, Italia, Gallia, but in Chinese context these places got their names from Warring States’ names instead of Roman provinces).
Qin was set up by the ruler of Qin,
Han was set up by a Chu-an ruling Han,
Xin was set up by the Marquis of Xin,
Wei was set up by Cao Cao, Duke of Wei
Same for Wu,…, Tang, Song. (with minor exceptions like Jurchen Jin)
Yuan was the one which threw a wrench into it, taking a instead a verse from Yi Jing and Ming/Qing followed suit.
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很少议论? 你骗鬼呢？ 开什么玩笑 我们国人最喜欢议论外国事情
“We seldom talk about or object things and culture of other nations.”？ bu****it, you much be joking, we Chinese love to talk about other countries,
in both song and ming, we never really rule the Mongolian land
They are Chinese not because Chinese think they are Chinese, but they start to identify themselves as part of the Chinese group, if you don’t believe this, look up the meaning of “Yuan” and how Mongolia rulers learn the Chinese language
Yuan Dynasty’s head was a Khan, not Emperor. All the official letters were written by the traditional Mongolian language and then translated to Chinese to reach its population and kinda look like they are their Emperor. Even the recent founding prove that during the Mongol invasion of Japan, the leaders of each civ used their titles on their letters. The Khubilai Khan used his Khan title instead of Emperor of China. That simply means it is a domestic title for only Chinese people. But his official title is Khan and he made sure his enemies would know what his ancestors did to their enemies by using the title Khan.
Moreover, the Mongols are not Chinese. Nor Han.
They are the descendants of the Hunnic Confederation. Just like other Turkic tribes like Tatars, Naimans, Cumans, etc.
After the Yuan Dynasty fell, the Mongol leaders retreated from modern-day Beijing to Inner Mongolia and Mongolia and created Northern Yuan Dynasty. In which they cooperated with the Manchus to take down the Ming Dynasty.
I think this is more than enough.
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And it’s different than Rus/Persian because Mongols didn’t claim to be the ruler of those countries but only wanted them to be vassal states and pay tributes.
They ruled their land just like their previous leaders did and would follow their culture when it comes to reaching their people.
There is a rule of the Mongols.
Which states “The other side of the river, must be ruled by the other side of the river”.
So they simply adopted their culture and ruled their land.
Rus is the only exception as the Moscow prince surrendered.
The Rule is “If you surrender, you keep your land, title, wife, people, but pay tribute to your master (Khan)”.
Persia didn’t surrender so they didn’t keep their title but the Mongols did.
The Rus became the vassal of the Mongols and later the Golden Horde ruled the territory which made Moscow a pretty safe place until they turn on the Mongols.
No one ever said Mongols are Chinese, but Yuan is a Chinese dynasty, how difficult for you to understand?
I think u read a comment that was written for someone else.
LOL, are you kidding?
They learned every language from their conquered lands. Okay?
You wanna know why? To understand them. By that, they would rule and get more support from the locals and give them more control over them.
Yuan Dynasty is the Mongolian Dynasty. After Yuan fell, all the Mongols went back to modern Inner Mongolia and Mongolia to resist the Ming Dynasty by cooperating with Manchus and created Northern Yuan Dynasty.
It is so annoying when the Chinese claim too many things when they don’t even deserve it…
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It is more based on the Golden Horde.
Yeah the mongols are the overlords and dominators of the chinese so it all belongs to the mongols
Nationalism is a vocabulary invented in modern times. It is a vocabulary invented to condense the people of the time against the imperialist invaders of the time. It would seem strange to apply the concept of nation to ancient people who had no concept of nation in the past. This is why I have always tended to avoid talking about them.
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Outer Mongolia became independent in 1946. On February 11, 1945, the United States, Britain and the Soviet Union reached the Yalta agreement. In order to urge the Soviet Union to send troops at an early date to force the surrender of Japanese imperialism and agree to take care of the interests of the Soviet Union when dividing the sphere of influence in the Far East, the United States and Britain stipulated in the agreement that the current situation of Outer Mongolia (the people’s Republic of Mongolia) must be maintained.
The Chinese Kuomintang government, in order to rely on American assistance to control the whole of China after the war, persuaded by the United States, signed the Sino Soviet friendly alliance treaty with the Soviet Union on August 14 and exchanged notes on the issue of Outer Mongolia. The Chinese government stated that after Japan’s defeat, if the referendum of Outer Mongolia confirmed its desire for independence, the Chinese government recognized the independence of Outer Mongolia. On October 20, 1945, Mongolia held a referendum. The government of the national name Party sent people to observe. 98.4% of the voters who voted unanimously supported Mongolia’s independence. On January 5, 1946, the Kuomintang government officially recognized the independence and sovereignty of the people’s Republic of Mongolia.
If you think Mongolia does not belong to China, you can see the map of China before 1945. Chinese historical materials have always believed that the Mongols are a member of China’s 56 nationalities and an important part of Chinese history. Please respect Chinese history and don’t make random guesses. After Outer Mongolia separated from China, its development was not good. The current economic development of Outer Mongolia also depends heavily on China.
Lol, I love being educated about my own culture, I’m Mongol ethnicity grew up in Hohhot, Inner Mongolia, please, tell me more about myself that I don’t already know
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So you are Chinese? But Mongolian?
What a joke xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Wow, I’m so hurt, what an insult from an Mongolian using Russian alphabets
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