Some weird thing like Chemistry (not for free) available in Castle age? and cannon galleons too
Turks already are decent to play. They have a great Castle and early Imperial Ages.
Janissary is the best Castle Age UU, and Turks are the only civ that can instantly start producing BBc and HC units when they hit Imperial.
Turks only ever need help after Gold runs out.
I think they should still have a push for Fast Imp, and get a new bonus. Like:
+15-30 HP to Spearmen and Skirmisher, in the Imperial Age.
This would help them when it is needed, while still maintaining the bad Trash theme.
people wants bad civs in the game .when u make random and u get bad civ that means u are in challange 
here we have turks 11
dude playing turk is like playing challange
i ve never seen anyone picking turks in tournaments have you ?
from the 1st day game was released turks was worst civ and i think turks will be worst forever
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If anything that Turks need is economic upgrades no costing food (Opposite of the vietnamese).
their uu is not best but does good(only good not BEST) in castle age cuz of 8 range.rather then that bbc is very easy to counter with any unit eskirmishers arbalests hussars paladins anything (in pro games) and turks bbc is not better then generic bbc with siege engineer the have only hp that helps 14 range is not something viable rather then giving a siege on teuton castle.and artrielly is asking for stone that is UNFAIR.its only tech that costs stone !!! and even with gold turks are not superior with gold u can count turks as c or d tier not even b as they dont have any superior unit or economic bonus rather then gunpowder units which is not much usable in all sitiuations …But when turks doesnt have gold … i dont wanna talk about its ‘‘GG’’
giving +25 hp skirmisher maybe helps little …when it comes to their spearman you cant do anything even if u give +100 hp as they only have 3+4 melee dmg . they cant do any dmg to paladins or elephants…
you cant do anything to raise this civ delete the turks is best option 11
BUT if artrielly gives +1 or +2 range to all gunpowder units like jans and hc …
and +25 hp skirmishers then i think then the tides would change and turks could be very exciting to play 11
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5 Janissaries can 1-shot a Mangonel, and the can outrange all other units in the Castle Age.
Jans + Mango pushes usually end games for Turks, in the Castle Age. It is very Gold intensive, but that is why Turks get the gather bonus.
Even if that does not win you the game, it usually gurantees you snipe a lot of enemy Vills and production structures, and he will be forced to make Castles to defend the town.
Then you just Age Up to Imp, and get instant BBC, which usually closes the game shortly after.
Most pros rank Turks around B tier.
wut? I mean they did a Reddit meme when Hera “promoted” them to C tier 11
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jans are not able to raid vils and its even very hard to kill a single vil (their accuracy is terrible)that moves around .
they can wipe out 15 jans with 15 knights (whcih is easier to mass by stable) but its ok jans are supposed to be countered in that way i can understand that.they do fine in castle age if they can reach as their feudal is sickness and worst feudal age in the game and u are forced to send 4-5 vils(from the dark age) into stone as u need direct castle when u are advanced into (no millitary bonus no economic bonus nothing at all all civs at least 1 or 2 mil. bonus in feudal) but i agree in castle age turks do overall with the help of their uu . when it comes to first few minutes in imp yea still they do overall as they can create bbc and sometimes it works generally it doesnt (rather then arena it never works)…THEN turks are doomed lose…their economy is worst and their millitary is awfull jans are just a joke in imp age.Fu paladins are eating jans like a piece of cakes there is only one thing u can do is hit and run if u have 50-60 jans maybe or barely u can kill 25-30 paladins by hit and run BUT ur bbc’s will be rip 11 so u lose battles.against goth spam u will lose jans are not able to kill em. jans fire rate is so low so firing 50-60 jans kills 2-3 units in frontline (approximately 40 gunfire is in vein and u cant micro it so 22 attack is nothing but a number 15 or 16 does same effect) 60 arbalest is cheaper and able to kill more then jans…in imp age even uu is not helping anymore…turks dont have paladins and no late game cavarly bonuses.their stable is not helping.they have worst barrack by far. and having no answer to archers too…even if the turks have gold they are not better then teutons,mongols,franks,spanish,persian,indian,celts,saracens,britons etc.
SIMPLY
if turks have gold they are hardly c tier or d .
if turks havent got gold they are garbage.
so turks in game is garbage…
i never see any pro player considering turks as c tier pls show me i dont believe it…
TURKS NEED REWORK or ‘‘REMOVE’’
in game we have Huns ,Tatars,Cumans so why do we need turks in the game ? to show how bad can any civ in the game ? come on enough allrdy give them some viable buff or remove it from the game let them stand in campaigns thats it i think.
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Doesnt the extra hp help against skirm, mangonels or foot archers?
Thats the reason i would like a stone mining and/or a castle building tine buff. To help them to bild the castle faster and smoothly. Also the stone bonus could help to build artillery bombard towers…
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it helps of course but its nearly impossible to go jans or hc and cav archer together even if u go they dont mix well both serves same. i mean +20 hp hussar could do more then cav.archer .turks need better non gold situation when the gold scarce no matter cav arch. or jans u cant have any of them as well.
again u are not giving correct informations i believe… here is the pros Tier list check where turks are ok ?
some of them arabia ‘‘open map with gold’’
im waiting ur ‘‘b’’ rank turk tier posts of pros !
its common belief that turks are very very bad civ rather that arena and even in arena turks are not top tier also maybe ‘‘b’’ or ‘‘c’’
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i want turks to get bombard cannon in castle age. maybe with -1 range.
That would be an overbuff
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It’s kind of awful to play turks, like that has to be worst thing about going random civ, the possibility you’ll get turks and the other person wont 
It’s not too surprising they’re D tier or one of the lowest tiers on most peoples list.
(I appreciate the collection of links to the civ tier lists 
)
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Oh my friend when i asked for some buffs for turks in the game (which is exactly NEEDED !!! as turks are worst civ for many of pro players) many people on the forums turned against me some of them even called me Turkish nationalist xD 11 even if i was Hungarian xD ahahahah
Dont know why i got impression that people love turks to be worst civ that can be easly defeated by all other civ…If you want Turks to be a decent civ then some ppl just came on the corner saying that this will be OP xD I think if the turks are able to win against any civ 1v1 then the turks are OP XD so need to be nerfed xD its common idea and i think this wont be changed no matter what .
Maybe the turks can be removed from the game so that we can still make ‘‘random’’ in games for ranked.
Turks millitary sucks worst in the game
turks economy sucks worst in the game
turks defance sucks
turks monastary sucks
turks rush sucks…
there is only one thing u can do is picking turks in arena do some fast imp rush and that is very predictable too so… ‘‘GG’’
turks trash is garbage and worst as their gold units are below avarage their champ is generic,archers are bad ,cavaliers generic,camels generic,cav archers good but hard to use as expensive and hunderds of upgrades to make them viable,siege is bad,defansive buildings are generic except bt which is nearly useless in game cant hit anything but ships,hussars are generic free hussar upgrade makes nothing helpfull as there is not much differance between light cav vs hussars,their uu works good but only in castle age then nothing but a waste of gold and countered by every unit easyly,their bbc is worse then generic as lacking siege eng. and ut is very expensive as costs stone ?! Their early game is worst,their late game is king of worst ! ! ! etc, !..Dunno whats the point of turks in the game ???
I dont understand some people calling turks decent or balanced or good civ and i bet they didnt even play wtih turks or im sure they didnt win any pro games with turks in open maps.i saw a game turks won in arena which takes more then 6 hours ! ! !
DEVS HEAR US !!! REMOVE THE TURKS OR BUFF THEM !!! unplayable outside of arena !!!
worst ‘‘thing’’ in aoe 2 def edition is t u r k s !!!
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You’re making them look like an auto-loss which is not true. If you protect your gold and ends the game before gold runs out (or get all relics) you’re going to be fine.
Their skirms are tied to Frank, Celt and Burmese for the worse spot once FU, their spears and castle age skirms are the worst, mangonels are tied with Huns, but everything else is just fine.
Better than Portuguese I suppose, and they get almost all eco upgrades so they will end up better than civs like Mongols or Huns.
They literally have all defensive upgrades. They actually have some of the best.
It’s pretty decent, and the gold mining boost make them good at monks+siege.
Well this one is true. Just like Spanish rush will suck for instance. It’s not completely a fatality.
And how is this a problem? These units work just fine whne generic.
Besides the lack of onager everything else is viable.
Then I wonder why BBT are so expensive if they are so bad.
It’s 15 HP and faster firing rate. This isn’t great for 500f and 600g sure, but it’s great for free.
That’s “just” a 22 attack unit, did you look at the stats?
But have more HP and are produced faster.
Because it affects BBT I guess.
You know, stuff happens between dark age and trash wars.
Not the only thing the game has to propose you know
Against Lithuanian, which are one of the top tier civs in trash wars. Which if you weren’t biased, would make you say that relics can help Turks and compensate for their gold weakness.
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I disagree. Turks Castle Age Jans + Mangonel can be rushed, and it is very hard to stop.
true its hard to counter jan+mangos but thats all…i agree with this…other then that there is nothing better then other civs all other things are worse.
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