Vote for the next 4 civs you want in the game

  • Portugal
  • Spanish
  • Navarre
  • Habsburg Dynasty
  • Al-Andaluz
  • Amazighs
  • Cairo Sultanate
  • Ethiopian
  • Eastern Roman Empire
  • Turks
  • Iranians
  • Tamil
  • Norsemen
  • Venice
  • Genoa
  • Scotland
  • Aztecs
  • Incas
  • Japan
  • Vietnam
  • Poland
  • Lithuanian
  • Hungary
  • Bulgary
  • Khmer
  • Burma

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Why are American Civs included? They can’t fit the Tech timeline of the game…same with some others.

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Why are American Civs included?

Because both Aztec and Inca Empires were massive empires, very important in their respective regions, wealthy and military strong and despise having a tech disadvantage and being decimated by imported illness they hold their ground for months (and years in the case of the incas) against the Spanish Empire (which was arguably the strongest european empire in the time period of this game) instead of being swiped fast as many other native american civs.

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Exactly, that’s exactly why I asked. They were on the other side of the world facing minimal military strength (due to many rather obvious factors), in their own terrain and had no actual ability to win at any given stage of their conquest. They were dying civilizations that had come to the usual end via conquest of another. There’s also no historical revisionism that can change that to make them fit the tech timeline utilized in this game. They’d need the tech out-breading exposure to save them all from dying of Euro-civ diseases.

Obviously, they may be added in to fulfill the Rule of Cool, and I’d be happy with or without them. It’s just strange to add ANY civ that cannot fit the tech timeline (as it is the lowest bar to entry). It’s even strange to have Scotland on the list considering its history as the weak beer nation North of England.

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I disagree that they were dying civilizations. On the contrary they were thriving.

Scotland was an important kingdom at the time and the Scottish house of Stuart ended up ruling England.

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How? Are you looking at them as existing in a void without chronology? Anybody can thrive their way in isolation that they enjoyed, but they were on the dinner plate of the old world powers. They never had the opportunity to realize the technological age of their conquerors without their conquerors conquering them…at which point they no longer existed as a power of any import able to become a viable world power like the Eng, Fr, Es, etc…

Their addition wouldn’t be a fulfillment of anything besides the Rule of Cool. I don’t know what’s wrong with that.

As for the Scotch, same beans.

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But they were not in isolation…

The Aztec Empire was comprised of a Triple Alliance between three city-states, or Altapetl. These were Tenochtitlan, which became the most prominent of the three, Texcoco and Tlacopan. However, Tenochtitlan, Texcoco and Tlacopan were far from the only Altapetl in the region. First, there was the one that the Triple Alliance was formed to combat in the first place: Azcapotzalco.

Azcapotzalco was the capital of a group called the Tepanecs, who were the most powerful group in Mesoamerica prior to the rise of Tenochtitlan. Indeed, they even employed Aztec mercenaries, and the Aztecs were under the protection of the Tepanecs for quite a while (they had picked a fight with a neighbouring tribe by murdering one of their princesses and, it seems, immediately regretted it).

The wars waged on Azcapotzalco’s behalf gave the Aztecs military experience, and it made them powerful. This meant that when in 1426 a new Tlatoani took power there (the Tlatoanis were the heads of these city-states) and immediately arranged the assassination of the Tlatoani of Tenochtitlan, Tenochtitlan joined with Texcoco and Tlacopan to form the Triple Alliance and took Azcapotzalco down.

Another rival city-state was Tlaxcala. The Tlaxcalans and the Aztecs despised one another, but the Aztecs were much more powerful. However, the Aztecs chose not to just invade and wipe out Tlaxcala entirely. Instead, they entirely surrounded it and every so often they would engage the Tlaxcalans in battle, win, take a load of them prisoner and cart them off back to Tenochtitlan for sacrifice. These “Flower Wars” also served as a useful way for Aztec troops to gain experience and show their bravery.

Needless to say, the Tlaxcalans were not happy with this state of affairs, so much so that (after an initial misunderstanding and a small pitched battle) they sided with the Spanish when they arrived.

The Inca Empire was the last chapter of thousands of years of Andean civilizations

The Inca Empire was preceded by two large-scale empires in the Andes: the Tiwanaku (c. 300–1100 AD), based around Lake Titicaca, and the Wari or Huari (c. 600–1100 AD), centered near the city of Ayacucho. The Wari occupied the Cuzco area for about 400 years. Thus, many of the characteristics of the Inca Empire derived from earlier multi-ethnic and expansive Andean cultures. To those earlier civilizations may be owed some of the accomplishments cited for the Inca Empire: “thousands of miles of roads and dozens of large administrative centers with elaborate stone construction…terraced mountainsides and filled in valleys,” and the production of “vast quantities of goods.”

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Beated by literally 100 European soldiers :rofl:

No for real …

American civs. cannot find a situable place in this period of a game …

Turks + Byzantine empire is MUST HAVE

next two probably Khmers + Japanesse because there is too little from Asia

and next probably Spanish + Portugal

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You need to view history as a whole from this present reality, not a time warp.

Its a game, they can add aztecs if we want them to and they can do it without making them too mythological as well.

How’s them magical healing priests working out for you?

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Japanese, Byzantine, Nordic civ, African civ, Aztecs

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Scottish highlanders as an unit - maybe an armored Landsknetcht with a kilt, and bagpipe music would be an amazing civ to play. Also I know there would have to be some building that naturally produces sheep. Happy to see it so high on this poll!!

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LOL a little more, but Incas facing for the first time Horses and Guns so thats Age 4 vs Age 1 right?? Incas fight almost 2 centuries against the Spanish power, not other kingdom do that.

Reading some ridiculous comments here makes me think that history was learned by watching movies and not reading real books.

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Mercenary units like in aoe3 would be cool in general

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Im going to leave my shameless suggestion for the Portuguese.

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Congrats … u answered to yourself why this civ. doesnt fit into actual concept of a game.

Almost the same like u would like to have Inuits or African tribes in ww2 game … simply … NOPE

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There are more votes for Spanish here than in reddit

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ahhh for that reason Incas are present in AOE 2 and 3? LOL

I think most people does not know that “Amazighs” = Berbers from aoe2.

Otherwise, “Amazighs” would have won the poll. Easely. :slightly_smiling_face:

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AoE 3 is from completely different timeline you wiseacre

and

AoE 2 is almost 25 yo game with completely different mechanics and design with little differences (expect locking some techs. - wowowow from civ. to civ.)

If u think that American civs. could find a situable place in AoE IV timeline you are completely confused (which is supported by your nickname as well tbh)

So yeah American civs. might be added into the game in like 5 years as some special DLC targeted to all old-world civs from NA to SA …, They SHOULD DEFFINETLY NOT BE consider to be even in top 10-20 potential new civs.

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