I didn’t put the Croats there only because I feel a single Serbian civ based on the time where they held regional dominance and onwards should be enough to represent the area imo, but Croats would be fine as well imo.
I also put Vlachs here though because the Slavs are used to represent them in game, so their inclusion would be a “split” in that sense.
Chinese in two most important dynasties?
Mali into Ghana and Songhai empires (Malians still are a civ)
Vikings into Danes and Norway?
Italians into Genovese, Romans (or a south italian civ) Venetians (Just if is really need split Italians)
Slavs just need to be renamed to Kievan Rus/ Ruthenians, etc.
Spanish: Navarrese/Leonese and Aragonese. (Castillians would be the old Spanish civ renamed.)
Saracens are good for now imo.
Eh, Spain civ takes too much from imperial Spain to be just renamed, you also don’t strictly need Castillan if you already have Leonese.
I do imagine UU of Aragon would be the Almogavars
Italians and maybe saracens divided into an Arabian peninsula centered civ and an Egypt based one
like Portugese civ Mod? like the idea
Somalis are on the Horn of Africa… on the other side of the continent. Were you talking about Songhai?
The Papal States are still part of Northern Italy, we have a civ for Southern Italy: Sicilians.
I see no need for Navarra or Leon, Navarre was a relatively minor power in Iberia and Leon is represented in the coat of arms for the Spanish right now. Aragon… possibly has a chance, but realistically they became subordinate to Castille before the AOE2 period ends, and it’s that era of Iberia that the Spanish represent the most so at this point I’d just consider them fine under the civ.
my bad. Songhai! (20 characters)
You’re good. Just wanted to point it out and clarify 11.
It would be interesting to see the Slavs get renamed to Rus and boyar becoming a regional unit for Rus Bulgarians Lithuanians similar to what happened with the elephant archer.
i will love devs if they do this
Just rename Saracens to Arabians
Moors is Andalusians. Had different culture from Middle Eastern counterpart and that’s what they called themselves. It can serve as a continuation to El Cid too with Almoravid Campaign
Only split I can see is Saracens renamed to Arabians. Saracens is a term used by Europeans during Crusade period but they called themselves Arabs.
Andalusians is the only split I can think of. They had different culture from Middle Eastern Counterpart. Similar to how Berbers got split. It can be a continuation to El Cid campaign as well. In El Cid/Tariq Ibn Ziyad there is always weird mashup picking Berbers and Saracens. Andalusians even had its own Latin language which was heavily inspired from Arabic. Maybe Arab looking civ saying Spanish words?
Moors are already in the game! They’re called the Berbers.
Saracens do deserve a split, perhaps just into Abbasids (possibly Iraq centered) and Fatimids (Egypt?).
Chinese are highest on the list for splitting for me though. It’s a highly influential part of the medieval world. Split China in 2-3 factions and add Tibetans.
African civs, yes there should be more but frankly none of them were more than regional powers. So only after China gets reworked.
I’d include Fon since Gbetos are Fon and not Malian.
Oh that could be nice
What would be the new Rus UU though?
I’m sure there are plenty of historical units to pick from,ape 4 has Streltsy so that can be one.
Boyars are not really a military unit to begin with.
No they aren’t The term Berbers is very much wrong to apply for Andalusians. Berbers represents modern day Algeria/Tunisia/Libya/Morocco. Both had lingua franca as Arabic but spoke different language. Mainly Amazigh side of North Africa. Andalusians represents Morocco and modern day Spain. Remember Umayyads, Almoravids, Almohad ruled Morocco and Spain for quite a long time. Term Moors used to represent Muslims of Morocco and Spain by Europeans. But Muslim Spaniards used to call themselves Andalusi, Their architecture set is quite different than ME part as said before.
Abbasid Saracens and Fatimid Saracens weren’t that different culturally as much as Andalusians were. They just call themselves Arabs throughout the history. What split you can really make there? There is like any changes between them. During Fatimid period despite Shia ruling class, majority of its population were Sunnis. Shia pretty much stayed minority across ME. Militarily and Culturally didn’t formed too much of difference as much as Andalusians did.
Militarily they had multi-ethnic armies from Slavs, Franks, Celts, Vikings, etc. Completely different than Middle Eastern counterpart. They didn’t use cavalry as much as North Africans and Arabs did. They relied on infantry as much as I can recall.
The Umayyads were an Arab caliphate which ruled from Syria before being exiled to Andalusia, at which point I think they never really ruled over Morocco. The Almoravids and Almohads were both Berber dynasties, and they were not necessarily more Andalusian than they were Moroccans. They could be called Moors (though it was more what foreigners called them) but Andalusians wouldn’t really fit them and they still fall under the Berber umbrella.
i like more arab civs it feels only saracens and berbers are arabs in game
Berbers aren’t even Arabs.
Not an expert on middle east but I think one more middle eastern civ and few more Slavic civs are possible.